Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool

Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool

Commentary By: Guy Beale

FINAL SCORE: 1 - 1



GB at 2016-08-27 15:14:07

Well that one certainly threw up plenty of discussion points for the purists!

Please keep your comments coming @youaretheref and make sure you catch the next edition of the Ref Show on Monday as we attempt to put all of the incidents in this one to bed!


FULL TIME SUMMARY

GB at 2016-08-27 15:10:56

Here are the main talking points in respect to the officials in this game:

  • A clear clip from behind results in a penalty being given for an offence which looked well inside the Penalty Area in real time, but could have been just “on the line” in freeze frame. Either way that HAS to be given for me.
  • Liverpool have a “goal” disallowed due to an off-side call in the build-up which was expertly spotted with the aid of the field of play markings by the assistant. There was just one view looking across the field of play which appeared to show the attacking player’s foot just ahead on the edge of the penalty area line when the ball was played forward.
  • The game started to get very tetchy in the second half but the referee did well to keep the lid on it and not let it get away from him. This was achieved occasionally by being very strong and consistent with technical offences like denying the restart which all resulted in yellow cards.
  • Another case of grappling occurs in the 23rd minute which will keep the debate going again this week as the referee appears to spot it but play has restarted before he calls it. See below

Before the game I suggested that this could have been a good test for this referee, and I think that’s how it panned out. Generally I think he did quite well to react to the pinch points in the second half and respond when the pressure started to show on him. By this, I mean that he did not always look comfortable at the start of the second half, but he did at least remain calm and dealt consistently with the players who transgressed the laws. The second have was all about man management and reading the game, and to be fair, even though there were 8 yellow cards in total, there were no really poor challenges, and the game never got out of control.

I think the referee will have gained a lot of experience from that game. I must also add that I was not totally convinced about his movement at times which seemed to show a slight lack of stamina in the closing stages. He attempted to cover it up well by keeping on running into the penalty area after giving his decisions, but you can’t always use this tactic to compensate for not always being up with play when it switches quickly – you need to be able to keep up with the players.

So now let’s look at some of the bullet points I have raised above and consider them in detail with the benefit of slow motion replays.

  1. I personally still think the penalty was the correct call, but would that have been turned round by a video referee? Discuss!
  2. Was the Assistant correct to call off-side in the build-up to the Liverpool “goal” which was disallowed, and could technology have helped with that one as well? The camera shots looking across show that the official was not precisely in line, but they did seem to show that the Attacking player’s toe, was just ahead of the defender when the ball was played. Very close, and definitely one where the video referee would have been used if there was one.
  3. And now for the continuation of the grappling debate. I must confess at the start that I was typing when the “offence” of holding took place by Jan Vertonghen (TH 5) at a corner in the 23rd As a result I congratulated the referee in RefCam for “managing” this tactic as he had done earlier at the other end as I did not realise that the corner had been taken. Replays now make it clear that this was one which it would have been much better for him to have taken a firm line on and punished with a penalty as the ball was in play when he “penalised” the holding. I say “penalised”, but was it really effective to punishment for Tottenham to allow Liverpool to take the corner again? I don’t think so as the holding took place when the ball was in play. Following last week’s Ref Show, I suggest that if Mr Madley had made a stand on that one this week, then it would have ticked the boxes of our experts who are saying that it is important to pick the right offences to cut out all this holding with.

So there we have it, some big calls to debate already this weekend, and plenty for the pundits to debate and the fans to argue about.


More RefCam to come

GB at 2016-08-27 14:31:52

My final summary will follow very shortly.

I trust you have enjoyed our RefCam coverage so far this weekend and please keep your views coming on Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com

We have more two big games lined up for tomorrow:

West Bromwich Albion v Middlesbrough 1:30pm

Manchester City v West Ham United 4:00pm

A full list of forthcoming RefCam games is always available at:  http://you-are-the-ref.com/ref-cam/


90+3

GB at 2016-08-27 14:30:02

Full Time

Tottenham Hotspur 1 v 1 Liverpool


90+3

GB at 2016-08-27 14:22:40

Yellow Card Joel Matip (L 32) – delaying restart again again!


90+2

GB at 2016-08-27 14:21:29

Very tight off-side call for Marc Perry which he gets spot on. Concentration right to the end


90+1

GB at 2016-08-27 14:20:25

once again the referee shows the benefit of keeping running when you are caught behind play


90

GB at 2016-08-27 14:18:58

minimum of 3 added minutes


85

GB at 2016-08-27 14:16:50

Yellow Card Jordan Henderson (L 14) for delaying restart again


80

GB at 2016-08-27 14:09:02

When a referee lets a lot of physical contact go in the early stages and then reals the rope in during the latter stages it stands out dramatically, but to be fair, that’s what managing a game is often about. It is important to do what ever is necessary to keep control.


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GB at 2016-08-27 14:08:56

When a referee lets a lot of physical contact go in the early stages and then reals the rope in during the latter stages it stands out dramatically, but to be fair, that’s what managing a game is often about. It is important to do what ever is necessary to keep control.


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GB at 2016-08-27 14:06:05

consistent refereeing then as Dele Alli (TH 20) gets his Yellow Card for kicking the ball away as well


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GB at 2016-08-27 14:04:28

That free kick is precisely what the referee needed to give. He seemed to be “thinking about it” for a second, but the “expectation” was for that to be given to take the sting out of the game. Referees who try to be too clever in these circumstances and let those strong challenges slip by only have themselves to blame when it all “kicks off” a few minutes later


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GB at 2016-08-27 14:01:22

GOAL! Danny Rose (TH 3)

Tottenham Hotspur 1 v 1 Liverpool


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:59:49

There is another big call right in front of AR1 PK, and they are the ones the referee would expect his assistant to ASSIST with, particularly as the challenges are flying in atthe moment. By giving that one right in fron of him the assistant takes the pressure off of the referee for a minute


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:57:19

The last 20 minutes of this one could define Mr Madley’s season if he fails to keep the lid on this game. All the signs are there that this could explode if he does not manage the tempo effectively


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:54:50

This game seems to be coming to the boil now and as I expected it is proving a true test of this referee’s ability at this level.


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:52:10

Yellow Card Dejan Lovren (L 6) and another “technical caution” delivered in accordance to law as the player kicks the ball away


55

GB at 2016-08-27 13:49:10

Great call by AR1 Peter Kirkup as the Liverpool players foot was just ahead of the defender making him off side in the build up to the “goal” which was correctly disallowed. I have to say the the edge of the penalty area line would have helped him make that decision


GB at 2016-08-27 13:43:37

Great to see Twitter waking up as the temp rises!

Mane is getting away with a lot on Rose lot now,@youaretheref @Beeaalee. What happens when Rose does the sameHas to allow it?Match escalates

Looks like others are feeling the temperature rising in this one like me


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:41:10

That incident was precisely what I was talking about and the referee has done well with that Yellow Card for Jan Vertonghen (TH 5)


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:38:38

Reading of the tempo and temperature out there is going to be very important for Robert Madley in this second half. If he shows any weakness, I can see this one getting away from him


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:37:05

The second half has already started feisty so I expect the referee will really need all his skill to keep the lid on this one. We saw how Spurs can react last year against Chelsea


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:33:52

second half under way


HALF TIME SUMMARY

GB at 2016-08-27 13:31:01

Although the game has been fast and furious, it obviously needed a goal to set it alights, so it was so important that the penalty decision cannot be disputed at all. We saw a few given and not given last week, so it is great for all the Referees that Robert Madley has got them off to a good start this week with that one!

Good positioning and viewing angle allowed him to spot the Liverpool player getting his ankle clipped from behind, and even if there is one 32nd of a second of technical camera focus which could be used to argue where the contact happened, that was always the right result for me.

That was obviously the stand out decision in the first half, but apart from that the referee has made a very solid to this game. He has picked out the fair and unfair challenges and dealt with them consistently, then stepped up his profile when required with 3 very good cautions, which came as no surprises to anyone.

More of the same would be my advice for the second half.


GB at 2016-08-27 13:19:05

As always, YATR values your opinions on all the points raised by out experts via Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com

Don’t miss Monday’s edition of Ref Show in which our panel of experts will be running the rule over all the big decisions and discussion topics from Week 3. It is too early to say whether there will be as many controversial incidents to talk about as last weekend, but if you have not seen it yet, I suggest you catch it here as it was a real “humdinger”! Ref Show 22 August 2016

And here is the follow-up to the big debate! Referees should not ignore the Laws

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45+3

GB at 2016-08-27 13:18:29

Half Time

Tottenham Hotspur 0 v 1 Liverpool


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:16:50

minimum of 3 added minutes

Yellow Card Philippe Coutinho (L 10) clear case of delaying the re-start of play


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:15:15

GOAL! James Milner (L 7) from the spot

Tottenham Hotspur 0 v 1 Liverpool


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:13:31

Excellent lining in the build up to that excellent penalty call by the referee as he spots the Liverpool player getting his ankle “nicked” from behind!


GB at 2016-08-27 13:10:57

Going back to the public warning issued by the referee to Sadio Mané (L19) – it was very good to see him tell the player to stand up and look him in the eyes to receive his warning when he bent down to pull up his socks!


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:09:05

More confidence displayed by the referee again as he plays another good advantage in the centre for Liverpool to keep playing their attacking move


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:07:41

Sadio Mané (L19) gets his clear public final warning from the referee after that second foul so soon after his caution. Not a second yellow for me as he seemed to plant his foot before the Spurs player tripped over it. None the less, the expectation is now for his next offence to be very serious for the Liverpool player


32

GB at 2016-08-27 13:05:38

Yellow Card Sadio Mané (L19) reckless challenge – consistent refereeing by Madley


31

GB at 2016-08-27 13:03:51

Big call for the referee as the Liverpool player seemed to block the Spurs player in the box. Not a foul for me. The defender simply stood his ground and there was no holding until the Spurs player grabbed him first!


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GB at 2016-08-27 13:01:06

Yellow Card Danny Rose (TH 3) – reckless challenge. That came at the ideal time in the game for the referee to assert his authority and he did not disappoint!


27

GB at 2016-08-27 12:58:56

That was an important position for the referee to be strong and give the free kick for the careless challenge right in front of the technical areas – that is not the place to take any chances


23

GB at 2016-08-27 12:55:15

Madley has really raised his profile well a couple of times now and “set up” and possible firm action he may take for holding in the penalty area in this game if the players continue to get tangled up with each other as soon as the ball is in play


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GB at 2016-08-27 12:53:30

Michel Vorm (TH 13) is living dangerously again but no problem with that challenge outside of the penalty area either


21

GB at 2016-08-27 12:52:03

I am surprised the spray was not used for that free kick


19

GB at 2016-08-27 12:51:16

First sign of any “niggle” in the game as Harry Kane shows his frustration. The referee needs to log that one and be ready to manage these two players as the game goes on


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GB at 2016-08-27 12:49:45

Excellent positioning by the referee then to sell his decision of a fair tackle by Vorm as he slid outside of the penalty area


18

GB at 2016-08-27 12:48:20

Very steady start for Robert Madley which I am sure he will be happy with due to the pace of the game and attitude of the players


14

GB at 2016-08-27 12:45:56

clear case of “ball to hand” then so no offence committed by the Liverpool player


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GB at 2016-08-27 12:44:54

That would have been interesting if Spurs had gone on to score there as it looked to be as if Keane nudged the Liverpool player in the back and AR1 Kirkup fouledto assist the referee. That was definitely his call and there would have been few complaints had he intervened. Its all about expectations.


10

GB at 2016-08-27 12:42:22

10 minutes gone and the referee’s body language is looking very positive and alert to all that is going on around him. So important to get off to a good start in every game


9

GB at 2016-08-27 12:40:18

The referee was very close to that careless foul in the centre and did well to set his tolerance level with that one


6

GB at 2016-08-27 12:37:48

Very evident proactive warning by Madley then to the players before the first corner that he would be watching for grappling in the penalty area. Just what was needed


4

GB at 2016-08-27 12:36:00

Really good learning point for referees in that last Liverpool attack as the referee kept running into the penalty area after the quick break to “look” closer to the incident than he was!


3

GB at 2016-08-27 12:34:24

excellent eye-contact noted by Marc Perry with that first throw-in. It is so important to the “team” that the team works starts earely


1

GB at 2016-08-27 12:33:03

First advantage played by the referee – he will be happy with that one as he delayed his whistle well


GB at 2016-08-27 12:31:02

AR1: Peter Kirkup (PK) is patrolling the touchline in front of the technical areas.


KICK OFF

GB at 2016-08-27 12:30:20

Liverpool won the toss so it will be Tottenham Hotspur v  to kick off.

Good luck to all the officials and may the ball run kindly for you!

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GB at 2016-08-27 12:25:54

Not long to go now as the players and officials prepare to leave the tunnel


OFFICIALS

GB at 2016-08-27 12:24:36

Referee: Robert Madley (RM)

AR1: Peter Kirkup (PK)

AR2: Marc Perry (MP)

4th Official: Craig Pawson (CP)

Robert Madley

At the start of his first full season wearing his FIFA badge, Robert Madley needs to quickly establish himself as a safe pair of hands for any game the PGMOL throws at him. This is certainly a good morale booster for him, as the match-up of these two teams should produce a fair test of his ability today. Last season the attribute which impressed me most about this referee’s style was his communication skills. As a relatively new kid on the block, he went out of his way to build up a rapport with the players. Early signs of question marks over his fitness also disappeared as the season progressed, and he finished the last campaign strongly as his confidence and experience both showed signs of improvement. So the stage is already set for this referee to put an early stake in the ground for more high profile appointments this time around.


Here are the starting line-ups for this game:

GB at 2016-08-27 12:22:49

Tottenham Hotspur

Spurs

Michel Vorm (TH 13)

Kyle Walker (TH 2)

Danny Rose (TH 3)

Toby Alderweireld (TH 4)

Jan Vertonghen (TH 5)

Harry Kane (TH 10)

Erik Lamela (TH 11)

Victor Wanyama (TH 12)

Eric Dier (TH 15)

Dele Alli (TH 20)

Christian Eriksen (TH 23)

Substitutes

Heung-Min Son (TH 7)

Vincent Janssen (TH 9)

Josh Onomah (TH 25)

Harry Winks (TH 29)

Luke Mc Gee (TH 31)

Ben Davies (TH 33)

Cameron Carter-Vickers (TH 38)

Liverpool

Liverpool

Simon Mignolet (L 22)

Nathaniel Clyne (L 2)

Georginio Wijnaldum (L 5)

Dejan Lovren (L 6)

James Milner (L 7)

Philippe Coutinho (L 10)

Roberto Firmino (L 11)

Jordan Henderson (L 14)

Sadio Mané (L19)

Adam Lallana (L 20)

Substitutes

Alexander Manninger (L 13)

Daniel Sturridge (L 15)

Marko Grujic (L 16)

Alberto Moreno (L 18)

Lucas Leiva (L 21)

Divock Origi (L 27)

Kevin Stewart (L 35)


PRE-MATCH

GB at 2016-08-27 12:20:00

There hasn’t been a whole lot of changes in the Spurs squad since last season, but there is certainly a hole lot of changes at White Hart Lane! After the giddy heights of second place as they turned into the final straight last year, Spurs fans just shrugged their shoulders and said “same-old-same-old” as they capitulated at the end and shuffled in obediently behind their arch rivals in the pecking order.  At least they got off to a decent start last term though, and after their win against Palace last week, they now have the opportunity to hit the ground running again this term.

Liverpool might have something to say about that though! For a start they have not lost to Spurs for the last 7 league matches since 2012, and you would have to expect The Reds to be well fired up after their poor showing against Burnley last weekend. Will the Lilly Whites roll over again, or have they really got the pedigree to compete with the big boys again this season? Today’s result might just give us a clue.


PRE-MATCH

GB at 2016-08-27 12:17:21

Welcome to this lunchtime’s RefCam coverage of the premier League game between Tottenham Hotspur and Liverpool.

Feel free to interact with me at any time during the game by joining in on Twitter @youaretheref or e-mail at info@you-are-the-ref.com