Sunderland v Newcastle United
Commentary By: Guy Beale
FINAL SCORE: 3 - 0
GB at 2015-10-25 14:56:36
That’s all I have time for now so I will leave it to the gang on the Ref Show tomorrow night to analyse this performance in more detail as I hand you over to Rob Harris for the small matter of a Merseyside Derby – keep it here on RefCam and ENJOY!
GB at 2015-10-25 14:55:31
Well done Mr Madley, you can afford to feel pretty pleased with the way that one went for you. It must be conceded that the fixture did not exactly live up to the blood and thunder encounter which I for one expected, but the referee still had a job to do, and sometimes one of the most important things to achieve is to just “keep out of it”.
There was no need for Robert Madley to raise his profile too much in this game other than at the end of the first half with the correct award of a penalty and red card. I can only repeat what I said in my blog that in respect to the penalty call for me, it was all about “playing distance”, and the defender was not close enough to the ball to put in a fair challenge.
Once the referee set his tolerance level and then stuck to it consistently, he gave himself a chance to come out of this one with credit and may even have come of age in this game.
He has his distinctive style of management without using cards which he just about got away with again today. I admit that I do not always feel at ease with the way he is inclined to be a bit lenient at times, but I must concede that it seems to generally be working for him this season.
He will have tougher games I am sure, but for the moment he can bank that one and can breathe a massive sign of relief that he has come through it unscathed!
GB at 2015-10-25 14:54:06
Sunderland 3 – 0 Newcastle United
GB at 2015-10-25 14:51:00
that was a strange decision by the referee not to stop play when the Sunderland player seemed to get caught in the head by that overhead kick in the Sunderland penalty area. Safe refereeing at this stage would have been just to have stopped the play
GB at 2015-10-25 14:49:26
minimum of 4 added minutes to be played
GB at 2015-10-25 14:48:43
RM managing the player’s expectations again with that hand ball decision even though the assistant did not signal from much closer to the offence
GB at 2015-10-25 14:46:58
thats what I meant by that silly challenge out on the wing
GB at 2015-10-25 14:46:17
The officials must not relax now as Newcastle know they have lost the battle, they may try to win the war!
GB at 2015-10-25 14:45:24
Steven Fletcher (SUN 26)
Sunderland 3 – 0 Newcastle United
GB at 2015-10-25 14:40:11
He has also demonstrated some sound sprints in this game
GB at 2015-10-25 14:39:24
I have not mentioned Robert Madleys positioning or movement much at all in this game yet, so I must say at this point that he does seemed to have injected a lot more energy into his game over the past few weeks and is no longer standing still and letting the play go on around him but is constantly adjusting his position in the centre of the field of play
GB at 2015-10-25 14:36:18
The longer the game goes on I have to say that the players seem to be happy with the way RM has managed this game and there is a mutual respect and empathy being shown on both sides so far
GB at 2015-10-25 14:34:50
good to see the referee not stopping play for the player to tie his laces – nothing in the law to allow for that!
GB at 2015-10-25 14:33:32
a foul count of just 16 stoppages reflects that this game has still to come to the boil yet
Should the referee be taking credit for that – let me know what you think
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GB at 2015-10-25 14:29:28
20 minutes of total concentration required from the officials now
GB at 2015-10-25 14:25:43
goals change games as we have said before so Newcastle will have to throw everything they have at Sunderland now so I expect things to start getting a bit hairy out there for our officials
GB at 2015-10-25 14:24:23
Billy Jones (SUN 2)
Sunderland 2 – 0 Newcastle United
GB at 2015-10-25 14:20:39
I have to say though that the referee does not seem to be showing any signs of being overalled by this game so far. He has not changed his style which has got him here, even if I have felt he has been a bit to inclined to be a bit lenient.
GB at 2015-10-25 14:17:39
Robert Madley showing leniency again to Lee Cattermole (SUN 6). It is clear to everyone that he will not get away with another one but only time will tell if that was the strong enough course of action by the referee.
GB at 2015-10-25 14:16:07
So far the players have actually shown a great deal of professionalism (as they should of course!), as they have tempered their challenges as they realise that you can’t win the game if you are sat on the bench!
GB at 2015-10-25 14:13:24
Robert Madley will certainly not forget his first Tyne-Wear derby that is for certain, but he definitely did not bottle it when that big call came around in the first half. The thing is now for him to keep a firm grip on the game as the tempo is bound to rise the longer the games goes on
GB at 2015-10-25 14:10:42
thats more like it – the referee starting to get all these small decisions right now and not let the game get away from him
GB at 2015-10-25 14:09:18
thats more like it – the referee spanned to get all these small decisions right now and not let the game get away from him
GB at 2015-10-25 14:06:23
going back to the penalty, for me it was all about plaything distance, the defender was not close enough to the ball to put in a fair challenge
GB at 2015-10-25 14:05:12
That was a sign of the strength of challenge we can expect this half
GB at 2015-10-25 14:04:17
second half is underway
GB at 2015-10-25 14:03:00
I had a feeling that decision at the end of the first half would wake Twitter up!
Keep your comments coming!
I also expect this to be a much tougher second half for all of our oficials
GB at 2015-10-25 14:01:02
There is only one place to concentrate on in my half time summary and that has to be the penalty and red card. So to lets start with what the law says:
The act of charging is a challenge for space using physical contact within playing distance of the ball without using arms or elbows.
It is an offence to charge an opponent:
- in a careless manner
- in a reckless manner
- using excessive force
Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the path of the opponent to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction by an opponent when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.
All players have a right to their position on the fi eld of play, being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.
Shielding the ball is permitted. A player who places himself between an opponent and the ball for tactical reasons has not committed an offence as long as the ball is kept within playing distance and the player does not hold off the opponent with his arms or body. If the ball is within playing distance, the player may be fairly charged by an opponent.
Therefore Robert Madley was correct to award the penalty and this is obviously a DOGSO if you take the challenge out there is an obvious goalscorring opportunity.
I can’t agree totally with the commentator’s view that there was an offence at the other end as there was not a “deliberate” hand ball by the Sunderland player in his own penalty area.
Take those two incidents out of the first half and RM did not do too bad as he stayed out of it when he could, although I do think he got a bit lucky at times. There were a few incidents when I felt he would have been better to raise his profile in order to show everyone that he was the boss of this game.
He got the BIG DECSION right, but to be fair that one was easy because of the clear instructions in the law which I have quoted above.
GB at 2015-10-25 13:50:57
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GB at 2015-10-25 13:50:19
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GB at 2015-10-25 13:49:31
Sunderland 1 – 0 Newcastle United
GB at 2015-10-25 13:48:26
Sunderland 1 – 0 Newcastle United
GB at 2015-10-25 13:47:35
Fabricio Coloccini (NU 2)
There can be no complaints about that one as the player was not within playing distance of the ball
GB at 2015-10-25 13:46:22
Penalty to Sunderland
GB at 2015-10-25 13:45:39
minimum of 3 added minutes to be played
GB at 2015-10-25 13:44:29
good composure displayed that time by the referee in his management of that free kick
GB at 2015-10-25 13:43:45
just take your time Robert – get this one right
GB at 2015-10-25 13:43:10
He has got that one right though – important free kick to manage on the edge of the penalty area
GB at 2015-10-25 13:42:25
RM just showing his achieves heel again there as he was about to stop play for a shirt pull and didn’t, so what happens is that another challenge goes in. He does have a habit of putting his whistle up to his mouth and not blowing it – poor practice.
GB at 2015-10-25 13:39:50
well done again RM – safe free kick in the centre by the technical areas – you don’t want to leave one fresh in their minds which got away in that area just before half time
GB at 2015-10-25 13:38:21
interesting to note that there have only been 8 fouls committed in the game so far despite that very frenetic first 5 minutes. To be fair to the referee I don’t believe he has missed any careless challenges either
GB at 2015-10-25 13:35:20
the officials will be telling each other to stay focussed during that short break and see this one out to half time now
GB at 2015-10-25 13:33:49
DB was just a few yards off the pace then on the nearside touchline – it is vital to keep up with play at this level
GB at 2015-10-25 13:31:28
I am sure he would have settled for that first 30 minutes though!
GB at 2015-10-25 13:30:49
Robert Madley needs to keep his eyes everywhere in this one and be ready for the unexpected!
GB at 2015-10-25 13:28:37
Maintaining discipline is obviously immensely important in this game but getting the decisions right first goes without saying. There was a lot of holding at that last corner and RM cannot allow that to continue. He needs to be consistent and carry out any threat he made earlier in the game to the players involved
GB at 2015-10-25 13:24:46
We want referees who are prepared to try to manage events when they can, but this really is not the type of game where it is wise to take too many chances. The referee needs to be strong and not leave something behind to hand all sorts of criticism on later in the game.
GB at 2015-10-25 13:22:56
everyone knows that it will only take the slightest spark for this one to ignite, so there was another chance for RM to raise his profile and show he means business
GB at 2015-10-25 13:20:42
20 minutes gone and despite the one yellow card, the passion has just settled down slightly so the officials are able to allow the game to flow as much as they dare
GB at 2015-10-25 13:18:45
There has been a lot of talk about this appointment for this referee, and I am one of those who was originally not sure about it but I also believe that the PGMOL have to start shuffling their pack at some stage and blood some of the newer referees in these big games. So far RM got an enormous slice of luck after not cautioning Tiote for his first reckless challenge as he got him seconds later before another player had the opportunity to test the referee’s tolerance level today
GB at 2015-10-25 13:15:56
That was the first real test of where Robert Madley’s tolerance level was going to be today – for Cheick Tioté (NU 24)
but for me he should have received the card for the earlier challenge a few second before.
That worked out very luckily for the referee as he could have been reflecting on his leniency if the second challenge had not come in so quickly after the first one
GB at 2015-10-25 13:11:23
A long way to go yet I know, but at least RM has not given us any surprises yet
GB at 2015-10-25 13:09:40
two minutes without a free kick given! time for the officials to take a breath at least
GB at 2015-10-25 13:07:36
Appart from one slightly delayed whistle, the referee has done his best to get a firm grip on this game as the challenges fly in in the opening minutes
GB at 2015-10-25 13:06:32
Madley seen doing just what I suggested prior to that last corner and letting the players know where he stands on grappling – good refereeing
GB at 2015-10-25 13:05:28
great sprint through the middle then by our referee – I wonder how much of that was based on adrenaline?
GB at 2015-10-25 13:04:17
AR1: Dave Bryan (DB) is patrolling the touchline in front of the technical areas.
GB at 2015-10-25 13:03:46
The referee needs to be pro-active with all that shirt pulling at corners today otherwise he becomes centre of attention if a goal is scored
GB at 2015-10-25 13:02:33
RM had a good think about that one and I suggest he would be better to just give a quick decision at this stage.
What happens is the next challenge goes flying in as we saw then
GB at 2015-10-25 13:01:16
first challenge and first opportunity to get stuck in for the referee – well done!
GB at 2015-10-25 13:00:19
Newcastle United won the toss so it will be Sunderland to kick off.
Good luck to all the officials and may the ball run kindly for you!
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GB at 2015-10-25 12:56:00
Not long to go now as the players and officials prepare to leave the tunnel
GB at 2015-10-25 12:44:48
I watched MOTD last night and they drew a line which “proved” that the Assistant got it right and that Cesc Fàbregas was off-side, so his goal should have been disallowed. Then I watched Sky Goals on Sunday this morning and they drew a line which “proved” that Cesc Fàbregas was NOT off-side?
The important factor for me was that the attacking player is on the Assistant’s side, so these are always the most difficult ones to be accurate with, as you cannot really be sure that the defender behind the attacker in the Assistant’s line of vision is or isn’t exactly level!
Bring on the technology I hear you call – so who’s technology do you use for this one?
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GB at 2015-10-25 12:42:00
The Stadium of Light will certainly not be the place for the faint hearted today, so step forwards Robert Madley. When I am coaching referees approaching a mammoth game like this, I always start by reminding them that nobody has paid any money to come along and watch them, so I hope that today’s referee remembers what got him here and does not try to be too clever!
The PGMOL have displayed a lot of confidence in this referee so far this season, and as he prepares to walk out into the lion’s den today for his 6th LIVE TV appearance in his 8th appointment this season, he needs to be fully focussed on repaying the compliment. At 30 years old, and with 3 vacant spaces on England’s FIFA entitlement, I can’t help thinking that the way this official has been thrust to the forefront this season, there could be far more at stake for him than just his personal aspiration to put in a first class performance today?
One thing is for certain, he will have to use everything he has in the locker to keep a low profile in this one. Robert has shown on a few occasions already this season that he is willing to take a few risks and rely heavily on his presence and man-management skills to control his games, but he will need to ensure that he does not allow these positive attributes of his refereeing style to undermine his authority on this stage.
The opening 10 minutes are going to be very important. He cannot allow himself the luxury of playing too many advantages in anything less that clear attacking situations, unlike the tactics he used on Monday night. I thought he just about got away with it on Monday, but this is a whole different ball game today and he will need to be strong and resilient in his approach to the challenge he is about to face. Above all, there will be nowhere to hide if any of his decisions are less than perfection.
Having commented a few times this season about the benefits to Mr Madley of performing with a settled team of Assistants, I am somewhat surprised that his normal wingmen (Mike McDonough and Marc Perry) have been replaced for this big game by Dave Bryan and John Brooks. These two officials have not worked with Robert at all this season in earning this appointment. Ex FIFA Assistant Bryan is one of the most experienced and longest serving officials on the Select Group and is no stranger to the big occasion, and with Brooks coming to the end of his first full season wearing his FIFA badge with pride, I have no doubts that the referee has two very competent officials watching his back today. That said, you would not expect the managers of the players today to suddenly put out completely changed teams for this fixture would you?
It falls upon Mike Dean to keep order amongst the technical areas today, and Robert could not have wished for a better colleague to assist him with that challenge in a game like this. This will not be an easy task in its self, but Mike will be bring much more to the table today than just holding up the board. He will have already used his considerable experience to prepare the referee for the biggest game of his career so far, by helping him get his mental state of mind sorted and also by adding significant value to the official’s game plan. I hope Mr Madley has been listening, because I have a feeling that he might need all the help he can get today ……..
GB at 2015-10-25 12:41:16
Today’s officials are:
Referee: Robert Madley (RM)
AR1: Dave Bryan (DB)
AR2: John Brooks (JB)
4th Official: Mike Dean (MD)
GB at 2015-10-25 12:37:45
Here are the starting line-ups for this game:
Costel Pantilimon (SUN 1)
Billy Jones (SUN 2)
Lee Cattermole (SUN 6)
Adam Johnson (SUN 11)
Younès Kaboul (SUN 15)
John O’Shea (SUN 16)
Jeremain Lens (SUN 17)
Ola Toivonen (SUN 20)
DeAndre Yedlin (SUN 24)
Steven Fletcher (SUN 26)
Fabio Borini (SUN 9)
Patrick van Aanholt (SUN 3)
Sebastian Larsson (SUN 7)
Jordi Gómez (SUN 14)
Jermain Defoe (SUN 18)
Sebastián Coates (SUN 22)
Vito Mannone (SUN 25)
Duncan Watmore (SUN 41)
Robert Elliot (NU 21)
Fabricio Coloccini (NU 2)
Paul Dummett (NU 3)
Jack Colback (NU 4)
Georginio Wijnaldum (NU 5)
Moussa Sissoko (NU 7)
Ayoze Pérez (NU 17)
Chancel Mbemba (NU 18)
Daryl Janmaat (NU 22)
Cheick Tioté (NU 24)
A Mitrovic (NU 45)
Vurnon Anita (NU 8)
Papiss Demba Cissé (NU 9)
Siem de Jong (NU 10)
Jamaal Lascelles (NU 15)
Massadio Haïdara (NU 19)
Florian Thauvin (NU 20)
F Woodman (NU 41)
GB at 2015-10-25 12:33:27
Although it clearly doesn’t need it, every time this fixture has come around for the past 152 times, there always seems to be something about it which adds a little extra spice to the proceedings. Setting aside the referee appointment which I will come to later, the spectre of Big Sam Allardyce in charge of the Black Cats, having previously been the Boss of the Magpies, along with the fact that both teams find themselves in the relegation zone, means that something has to give today.
It has been a torrid time for football fans in the Tyne-Wear area so far this season regardless of which of these two teams they support, so there are a lot of bragging rights at stake in this one.
Without a win in their first 9 games, Sunderland supporters will be hoping for no better way to kick-start their season than with a win over their arch rivals, whilst Newcastle fans will be hoping for a repeat of their goal feast against Norwich last week. All-in-all, the potential is for a cracker this lunchtime.
GB at 2015-10-25 12:32:12
Welcome to this lunchtime’s RefCam coverage today of the Tyne-Wear derby between Sunderland and Newcastle United.
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