Southampton v Burnley
Commentary By: Guy Beale
FINAL SCORE: 3 - 1
GB at 2016-10-16 18:38:58
Here are the main talking points in respect to the officials in this game:
- An inexplicable decision not to award a penalty in the first half which could have led to the first goal of the game going to Burnley may get lost in the noise at the final whistle.
- A sound and generally consistent tolerance level maintained. Good recognition of foul play – particularly reckless challenges.
- Consistency with the odd push and pull inside and outside of the penalty area eventually resulted in the almost obligatory penalty for grappling which hardly anyone saw or contested!
- Mike Dean coasted through the game with a mature air of authority about him.
The elephant in the room has obviously got to be the key match decision in the first half when the referee failed to “see” a blatant foul by Virgil Van Dijk (S 17) which should have resulted in a penalty to Burnley with the score at 0 – 0. Mike Dean seemed to be looking right down the barrel at it, so it is difficult to understand how that one got away.
It would not be a normal Mike Dean game this season if we were not talking about grappling, and he didn’t let us down again. I personally felt he used his common-sense well up until the 72nd minute, with the consistent way he controlled any “little” holding or pushing anywhere on the field of play, but then we eventually had the “inevitable” penalty to Burnley for an offence at a corner. There was some clear holding going on all over the place, so it was perm anyone from 3 when the whistle went and the finger pointed to the spot! I was not (and am still not) convinced that the incident the referee pointed to warranted a PK though, as the attacking player seemed to run into the defenders arm. So all this clamping down on grappling is still work in progress for me I am afraid.
An earlier penalty in the 66th minute was more clear cut for me (although not as much as the one that got away), as the defender clearly made enough contact to knock the player off balance. It was one of those where he gives the attacking player the opportunity to go down and had he done so without two more steps and a swallow dive, there would have been no discussion about it.
So a tale of 3 penalty decisions and you pays your money and takes your choice! Set all the penalty decisions aside though, and what we had left was an excellent team performance from the officials who missed very little else. The game really went to plan and did not need the referee to stop the flow very often, and that’s what we generally got from Mike Dean except when he quite rightly had to step in and deal with a few reckless challenges which were each appropriately sanctioned.
On a positive note, Mike Dean’s mature and confident body language never fails to shine through and his experience just about carried him over the line.
To finish on another positive note, it was great to see two Assistants go out and “assist” the referee for the second time today, and not cause him more problems than solutions!
Plenty of “isolated incidents” to talk about in this one, but frankly nothing which effected the correct result in the end.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:56:31
My final summary will follow very shortly.
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22.10.16 Liverpool v WBA KO 17.30 pm
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23.10.16 Chelsea v Manchester United KO 16.00 pm
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GB at 2016-10-16 17:55:27
Southampton 3 v 1 Burnley
GB at 2016-10-16 17:52:37
Great teamwork right to the end as Simon Long comes in for that free kick just as the referee blows at the same time.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:49:29
minimum of 5 minutes added time
GB at 2016-10-16 17:45:31
Great camera shot again of Ian Hussin following the ball back to the goal-line with ease.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:44:03
No foul at that corner, but did you see the position the referee was in? He was almost on the goal line. Referees may be used to that in junior football, but I cannot remember anyone else except Mike Dean doing it at this level!. He has got the fitness to recover of course, but one of the reasons this was not recommended (years ago), was because the goalkeepers release the ball back into play so much quicker than they used to.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:39:17
A good "old-fashioned" thumbs up to the Assistant noticed then by Mike Dean as Simon Long obviously told him over the head set that the ball had not gone out of play. Great to see the officials still using signals to communicate between themselves, even if the do have the communication sets
GB at 2016-10-16 17:35:25
You have to admit, that there was not a lot of moaning when Mike Dean pointed to the spot for Burnley
GB at 2016-10-16 17:34:25
No Surprises here then - Mike Dean's 20/20 vision spots something at the corner. Strangely enough I am not convinced that the "offence" he pointed at was that bad - but there was enough other grappling going on in there for one of them to warrent a penalty!
Sam Vokes (B 9)
GB at 2016-10-16 17:30:31
Very good example of pro-active man-management displayed by the referee in that last yellow card incident as he called Charlie Austin across as well and calmed him down by telling him to "leave it to me!"
GB at 2016-10-16 17:28:48
Dean Marney (B 8) puts in a reckless challenge and gets a for his trouble. Discipline will be a key factor for Burnley players now as they realise they have lost the battle, but may fancy still winner the war!
GB at 2016-10-16 17:25:55
No need for the swallow dive - but a nailed on penalty for me nonetheless.
Charlie Austin (S 10)
GB at 2016-10-16 17:24:01
The longer this game goes on the more assured and confident Mike Dean is looking.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:20:31
Nathan Redmond (S 22)
2 more goals from set pieces to add to Mike Dean's statistics this season
GB at 2016-10-16 17:17:55
And there we have the first positive intervention from Ian Hussin who gives precisely the type of foul the referee has been giving in the last few minutes - great teamwork
GB at 2016-10-16 17:16:30
Good to see Ian Hussin getting into the picture then on the near side and even better that he was showing a good turn of pace to keep up with play
GB at 2016-10-16 17:15:03
Mike Dean may just give a few more "safe" free kicks in this period straight after a goal, as the temperature is bound to start rising for a few minutes.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:12:39
Charlie Austin (S 10)
GB at 2016-10-16 17:11:42
I have to say that the holding and pushing has not exactly disappeared altogether at corners in this game after all. But It is also important to emphasise the point I made in the first half that Mike Dean has been consistent in the amount of grappling he has allowed outside of the penalty areas as he has inside.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:09:06
Reckless challenge by Dušan Tadi? (S 11) brings the second of the game. No surprises there either.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:07:20
Good to see Simon Long demonstrating the same tolerance level to those "9 on 5" challenges that the referee has employed in this game. So important for all the officials to mirror how the referee is controlling the game.
GB at 2016-10-16 17:04:34
second half is underway
GB at 2016-10-16 17:02:17
If there had been a script for the manner in which this game was likely to be played and a model for how it needed to be controlled, then both have been stuck to rigidly so far.
Mike Dean has done very well to keep out of it and not raise his profile too much but stepped in each time the challenges have been careless or reckless. The players have generally responded well and there is an air of calm about everything at the moment. That said, there was just one decision in that first half which I did not agree with, when Johann Berg Gudmundsson (B 25) was tripped by Virgil Van Dijk (S 17) in the Southampton penalty area. The Burnley player may well have been already “going down” from another knock, but there was definitely enough contact to warrant a PK to be awarded. Mike Dean had such a great view of it, I just find it unbelievable he did not stop the game.
No point dwelling on that now though, whats done (or not) is done now, so the Referee needs to block that one out and stay focussed for the rest of the game.
Ian Hussin has had a very quiet first half and Simon Long has kept up the average for Assistants this afternoon with some timely interventions and smart movement.
This one still has the capability to suddenly burst into life in the second half though.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:50:41
The hot topic on our website this week has clearly been the decision by the PGMOL to appoint a referee to a massive game tomorrow night, when he lives very close to the ground. There has been no suggestion that Anthony Taylor is not competent to fulfil this fixture, the point is the unnecessary pressure put on the official by the appointment which could so easily been avoided. Here are a couple of links to the discussion pieces posted this week: Big match appointment not fair Anthony Taylor and Biggest game season far challenge referee Taylor
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GB at 2016-10-16 16:50:03
Southampton 0 v 0 Burnley
GB at 2016-10-16 16:48:26
That was a pure accident as the Southampton player made a fair challenge for the ball and caught the player as his foot bounced off the ball. Good to see the player dragged off for treatment when he is so close to the touchline.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:45:33
minimum of 4 added minutes to be played
GB at 2016-10-16 16:44:10
Simon Long was quite right to intervene for that foul right in front of him and there are very few referees with the confidence of this man to allow the advantage on that one - it has to be said that it worked for him though
GB at 2016-10-16 16:42:42
Mike Dean has generally kept the game flowing with the minimum of intervention so far with a low profile as much as possible.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:39:47
The challenges started very strong in this game but were generally fair in the opening stages. You can tell by the extra volume in the referee's whistle that they are still strong but getting more careless as the game unfolds
GB at 2016-10-16 16:38:09
I have replayed that challenge by Virgil Van Dijk (S 17) few times and I still think it was a foul.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:36:18
Well I fail to see how Burnley did not get a penalty then before the quick break by Southampton. Mike Dean was looking right down the barrel when Johann Berg Gudmundsson (B 25) was tripped by Virgil Van Dijk (S 17). There was no attempt to play the ball either, so that could have been a send off as well as a penalty.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:33:16
I am surprised that no one has Tweeted about the goalkeeper being in the same colour kit as the officials?!
Its definitely one of my pet things which irritates me to see at this level.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:31:13
That was a naughty one! No surprises there with that for Steve Defour (B 16) for that reckless challenge. Mike Dean carrying out due process then to make sure the player was treated first and then allowing him to stay on under the new law change
GB at 2016-10-16 16:27:32
Foul Throw - from a Premier League player? YES. Ball must be released from behind the head, not dropped from in front of the head!
GB at 2016-10-16 16:25:31
Mike Dean always gets himself into a great side on position for the dropping ball from clearances. This does not take a great deal of experience, it is just basic stuff which always pays dividends at all levels
GB at 2016-10-16 16:22:53
Good clear advantage signal in the centre then from the referee - That has always been one of Mike's strong points. Some would say too strong at times as he has been guilty of landing a few aeroplanes to ensure everyone sees he has played a good advantage.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:20:12
The odd little push in the back seems to be acceptable outside of the penalty area so far, so the referee needs to be consistent all over the field of play in this one
GB at 2016-10-16 16:18:17
Mike Dean was one of the best referees to work with on the line as he always makes positive eye contact with his Assistants. What how he checks at every throw-in.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:16:08
This can be the problem if a referee starts with a low tolerance level and the players abuse it! That was a careless challenge from behind but the reaction showed that the referee will need to ensure he keeps the lid on this one after all.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:13:28
Mike Dean showing his alertness again then as he holds up the taking of the free kick so that the Southampton player can be treated. The man in the middle will be well pleased with these opening stages as he looks on the ball.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:11:31
Great use of the "trailing eye" then by the referee to spot a slightly late challenge as Burnley cleared the ball. Very important not to miss those early in the game.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:10:16
Mike Dean has already shown that he is prepared to allow the players to challenge strongly in this one. I did think it was not going to be a game which needed a fussy approach in order to keep it entertaining.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:07:03
Only 7 minutes gone and already Mike Dean is looking fit and mobile in this game. Body language is everything in refereeing. We saw a referee earlier today who seemed to be lacking confidence, well that is the one thing which has never been laid at this referee’s door!
GB at 2016-10-16 16:06:03
Is it me, or is that 2 corners and no holding?
GB at 2016-10-16 16:04:01
AR1: Simon Long (SL) is patrolling the touchline in front of the technical areas.
GB at 2016-10-16 16:03:30
Teamwork starting well as Simon Long keeps up with play well to spot the ball out of play for the first corner
GB at 2016-10-16 16:02:28
Nice "easy" free kick for Mike Dean to pick off in the first minute - always important to pick the first one off
GB at 2016-10-16 16:01:32
Very interesting to see the referee take a long look back towards his Assistant in the other half for that first throw-in - I would have expected him to be more positive with that one
GB at 2016-10-16 16:00:10
Southampton won the toss so it will be Burnley to kick off.
Good luck to all the officials and may the ball run kindly for you!
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GB at 2016-10-16 15:56:19
Not long to go now as the players and officials prepare to leave the tunnel
GB at 2016-10-16 15:54:05
Today’s officials are:
Referee: Mike Dean (MD)
AR1: Simon Long (SL)
AR2: Ian Hussin (IH)
4th Official: Paul Tierney (PT)
Mike Dean gets the pleasure of working at one of the most hospitable venues on the circuit today, as he takes charge of this game at St. Mary’s Stadium. Current form and table positions might make this one look like a formality for this vastly experienced referee who has been so consistent over the past two seasons, but this is precisely the type of game which tests the official’s concentration levels and often requires them to keep a low profile – so good luck with that today!
Dean was the loan top flight whistler who was prepared to go out and scare the horses in his first game this season with what seemed like a personal crusade of zero tolerance, in an effort to make a positive difference to the amount of grappling in the penalty area. To be fair to the former FIFA official, he has stuck to his guns with his interpretation of what is fair and unfair challenging for the ball in the box since the opening day, and the games he has bossed since then have certainly produced more goals from set plays, as the players think twice about the consequences of their actions when he is in charge!
If you haven’t caught up with it yet, this topic got a fantastic airing in the latest edition of the Ref Show in the company of the well-respected Iain Dowie, who puts the alternative view to the debate with Keith Hackett and Alan Biggs here: Ref Show
All any referee can do is be consistent over the 90 minutes of each game, as they have no control over what their colleagues are doing in other games, so it will be very interesting to see what unfolds this afternoon. I can’t help thinking that it would have been a good one for the Referee and 4th Official to have swapped roles though, to give Paul Tierney his second run out in the Premier League since 10th September.
GB at 2016-10-16 15:52:09
1 Fraser Forster (S 1)
4 Jordy Clasie (S 4)
6 José Fonte (S 6)
8 Steven Davis (S 8)
10 Charlie Austin (S 10)
11 Dušan Tadi? (S 11)
14 Oriol Romeu (S 14)
15 Cuco Martina (S 15)
17 Virgil Van Dijk (S 17)
22 Nathan Redmond (S 22)
33 Matt Targett (S 33)
3 Maya Yoshida (S 3)
7 Shane Long (S 7)
9 Jay Rodriguez (S 9)
13 Alex McCarthy (S 13)
16 James Ward-Prowse (S 16)
23 Pierre-Emile Højbjerg (S 23)
38 Sam McQueen (S 38)
1 Thomas Heaton (B 1)
2 Matthew Lowton (B 2)
5 Michael Keane (B 5)
6 Ben Mee (B 6)
8 Dean Marney (B 8)
9 Sam Vokes (B 9)
13 Jeff Hendrick (B 13)
16 Steve Defour (B 16)
21 George Boyd (B 21)
23 Stephen Ward (B 23)
25 Johann Berg Gudmundsson (B 25)
4 Jon Flanagan (B 4)
11 Michael Kightly (B 11)
15 Patrick Bamford (B 15)
17 Paul Robinson (B 17)
26 James Tarkowski (B26)
37 Scott Arfield (B 37)
41 Aiden O’Neill (B 41)
GB at 2016-10-16 15:51:23
The visit of Burnley to the South coast will hardly have the Saint’s fans quaking in their boots as they have not lost to the Clarets at home in their last 14 league games. Current form also looks ominous for the visitors as Southampton are unbeaten in their last 6 games in all competitions, whilst Burnley have lost 4 and drawn 1 over the same amount of fixtures.
It’s still early doors for Burnley though and with just 7 games in after bouncing back up to the Premier League at the first time of asking, their faithful fans would probably have settled for 2 wins and a draw at this stage. That said, they will be looking at this game as points lost if they go home completely empty handed, so we could expect a bit of passion out there today as they attempt to halt Southampton’s claim to holding the longest stretch of scorring in each of their last 13 Premier League matches at St. Mary’s Stadium, the best current run in the competition.
GB at 2016-10-16 15:48:23
Welcome to this afternoon’s RefCam coverage of the Premier League game between Southampton and Burnley.
Thanks to Rob Harris for keeping the seat warm for the first game today. It was good to see a couple of solid performances on the line, and it cannot be a coincident that they were more new guard than old! Glenn Turner didn’t hold back with his opinion yesterday that the Select Group Assistant Referee’s List is long overdue a sort out, and I align myself firmly behind that view. It is one think rocking up and passing the physical fitness test every year at whatever age, but there comes a point when the mental fitness needs to be tested as well, with some of the old guard relying upon reputation rather than repertoire at the moment.
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