Queens Park Rangers v Manchester City


GB at 2014-11-08 20:34:01

Thanks for you company tonight – see you again next Saturday for Plymouth v Porstmouth

GB at 2014-11-08 20:33:09

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GB at 2014-11-08 20:32:50

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GB at 2014-11-08 20:32:36

Mike Dean’s calm unflappable style has certainly served him well today and he can feel well pleased with his contribution in such an entertaining game.

There are lots of things which can trip up a referee which we sometimes have absolutely no control over – but fitness and positioning are always within the gift of the official to be in charge of. Time and again, Mike Dean was so close to the play when a big call had to be made, he earned the respect of the competitors. Mike Dean’s movement proved that you don’t have to be a whippet if you have the experience to read the game and know where you need to be at the right time.

Great teamwork displayed throughout. Mike should be buying John Brooks a pint back at the hotel tonight for his excellent intervention on the communications equipment when Hart’s double touch took place before the ball had left the Penalty Area in the first half.

As for the off-side in the build up to the 1st Man City goal, I know being “just” off-side might be like being a little bit pregnant, but as I said above about the things which are sometimes out of our control, that has to be one of the tightest decisions of the season. Some you win, and some you lose – the important thing for the official is “never guess”. I say Hard luck Lee, but don’t beat yourself up over that one.

All in all, well done to the officials on this one.

GB at 2014-11-08 20:22:38

Full Time


GB at 2014-11-08 20:22:15

I know the referee will be mentioned in despatches at the end of the game again, but for once it should be for getting the major decisions correct

GB at 2014-11-08 20:19:59

This is going all the way to the wire

GB at 2014-11-08 20:19:15

4 minutes of added time (quiet night for Michael as well)

GB at 2014-11-08 20:16:31

I am sure the coms kit is buzzing now with encouragement from each of the team to remain focussed.

(It always used to buzz when it got wet too)

GB at 2014-11-08 20:12:22

How wonderful to see the player stay on his feet when the goalkeeper came towards him

GB at 2014-11-08 20:11:24

GOAL! 2-2

GB at 2014-11-08 20:10:11

I can’t help thinking we can expect things to get frenetic from here on in – constant pressure from Man City

GB at 2014-11-08 20:09:05

No buzz on the arm for the ball over the line then

GB at 2014-11-08 20:07:53

How much closer can MD get. Another critical decision on the edge of the Penalty Area and he is breathing down their necks.

GB at 2014-11-08 20:06:52

Well done Robert Green (QPR 1), the last thing QPR needed was to go down to 10 men because of a DOGSO

GB at 2014-11-08 20:05:39

Now the officials need to dig deep to remain focussed as I have a feeling Man City will be all out to reply.

GB at 2014-11-08 20:04:35

Own GOAL!! 2-1

GB at 2014-11-08 20:02:03

He may be hurt, but it was still a foul!

GB at 2014-11-08 20:01:27

And the rain just keeps coming. I used to like officiating in the rain, as it often made the players just get on with things.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:57:14

Substitutions change games as we have previously said on RefCam this year, so the officials need to be conscious of the difference the introduction of Frank Lampard (MC 18) makes.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:54:03

There have been very few quiet periods in the game, so the officials will appreciate this brief period where the tempo has dropped slightly

GB at 2014-11-08 19:51:44

There can be no such thing as “a little nudge” a push in the back is a free kick – good spot MD

GB at 2014-11-08 19:50:48

This game looks like it has more goals in it

GB at 2014-11-08 19:47:46

Once again MD is right there. I hope some of his colleagues are watching this – so far his positioning and distance from play has been first class

GB at 2014-11-08 19:44:19

Yellow CardBacary Sagna (MC 3) MD starting as he means to go on in the second half.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:43:06

For the quiz players out there – yes he should have left the field of play under law 4 to change his equipment. But this IS the Premier League

GB at 2014-11-08 19:41:29

Routine Off-Side for LB (I wish all of mine had been that easy!)

GB at 2014-11-08 19:39:42

So important for MD to be close to Barton’s first challenge. I hope he tells him he was lucky there and not to use these conditions unfairly.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:38:28

50:50 tugging at the corner there. So difficult for the officials

GB at 2014-11-08 19:36:28

MD right there again with just the angle he needed to make another sound judgement in the Penalty Area

GB at 2014-11-08 19:35:22

We have already seen earlier today what a major effect just one poor decision can have on the referee’s overall performance, so it is imperative now that MD leads his team from the front and keeps his concentration sharp, right to the end.  Come on Gents – you can do it!

GB at 2014-11-08 19:34:02

2nd half underway. Well that was definitely a lively first half. The introduction of Joey Barton (QPR 8) is unlikely to make the tempo any less.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:31:59

It’s great to be able to report that Mike Dean has so far continued to maintain the high standards of mobility which Anthony Taylor displayed in the earlier TATR game today. Keith Hackett highlighted FITNESS and POSITIONING as two of the bedrocks for quality refereeing in his blog for YATR on 3rd November which is definitely worth a read if you have not seen it yet. There can be no excuses for any of our top officials not to be ticking these boxes, which are among the fundamental requirements for them to be able to carry out their full time jobs competently. Surly the players and spectators can expect this – after all it is their job, that’s all these professional referees do for a living! You wouldn’t employ a carpenter to do some work for you if they couldn’t use a saw would you? When it comes down to coaching best practice for positioning, it is well documented that ability to create the optimum viewing angle for yourself and to maintain a credible distance from the incident are the most important aspects, and that these have to become second nature to a referee. We can discuss the ideal position to start from at set pieces, but we need to cater for the “human element” – the need to be ready to deal with the “unexpected” and to be in the best place to spot it when it happens. The only time a referee will ever be criticized for being in the wrong position, is when he or she misses something – which seems to be happening a lot lately. When the key match incident is not picked up by one of the team, that’s when the coaches earn their money, by making sure it never happens again.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:30:21

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GB at 2014-11-08 19:29:35

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GB at 2014-11-08 19:28:54

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GB at 2014-11-08 19:27:57

I know the debate about hand ball for the Man City goal will go on and on, but I still thing the officials need a break here – if anything, the movement of the players arm was away from the ball, not towards it.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:26:16

CONFIDENCE has been a regular theme in the weekly Ref Show debates over the past few weeks, but I have to say that any lack of this characteristic has never been one of Mike Dean’s weak points. Once again, so far this evening he has proved himself to be more than up for the challenges of matches at this level and he has instantly earned the respect of the players by displaying the necessary empathy for the way they have approached the game, whilst at the same time remaining fully in control of the proceedings.


Sure there are a lot of talking points, but he has been consistent and has led his team from the front.


The conditions were always going to play a major part in this game and this is where Mike Deans consistency in recognition and reaction to foul play has shown through.


The Assistants have both done well too. I had a feeling that John Brooks must have told Mike what happened, but could not be sure until they just showed a close up of him using the communication system.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:18:49

Half Time

GB at 2014-11-08 19:18:31

Yellow CardEduardo Vargas (QPR 24) consistency again for the sliding tackles.

Yellow CardSamir Nasri (MC 8) thought he got away with that

GB at 2014-11-08 19:16:02

Time for the spray again. 2 minute added time.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:14:37

Great flag by JB – he has not been in the game much but is obviously still switched on

GB at 2014-11-08 19:12:11

Not that the last yellow card had anything to do with the conditions!

GB at 2014-11-08 19:11:24

Yellow CardRichard Dunne (QPR 22) MD has been consistent with his yellow cards. He tried to allow for the conditions at the start, but as I predicted this did not last long.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:09:57

That was a really tough call for off-side for LB in the run up to the Man City Goal. Unfortunately the assistants don’t carry slide rules on to the line with them.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:07:31

Brilliant distance from the big decision again for MD, Yellow Card Mauricio Isla (QPR 14)

GB at 2014-11-08 19:05:44

I know this is the hardest thing to justify not giving a free kick for hand ball when the players gains an advantage from it, but I think the officials were correct. Yes it bounced up and hit his the hand, but it was not deliberate.

GB at 2014-11-08 19:03:33

The ball hit the hand – but was it deliberate?

GB at 2014-11-08 19:02:57

GOAL! 1 – 1

GB at 2014-11-08 18:58:52

I wish these commentators learnt the laws LOL

GB at 2014-11-08 18:57:44

MD is using all his man management skills to very good effect so far. No need for him to become centre of attention.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:56:16

MD just lets them know he saw that.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:55:24

For those of you paying attention, sorry I got Sandro’s number wrong for the caution – he is 30 of course – not 29

GB at 2014-11-08 18:54:04

That was close. MD well placed to judge outside of the Penalty Area

GB at 2014-11-08 18:51:03

GOAL! Nothing wrong with that one. 1 – 0 to QPR Game on!

GB at 2014-11-08 18:50:25

Yellow CardSandro (QPR 29) I had a feeling that was going to happen.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:50:05

Consistent again there with the sliding challenge. I cant see them all going unpunished though.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:48:09

Just to confirm the Law. The reason QPR did not get an indirect Free Kick when Hart touched it twice is because the ball did not leave the Penalty Area.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:46:23

No penalty for me. No movement of the arm towards the ball.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:45:44

Great to see MD so focussed on the players in the Goal Area and being pro-active with the grappling.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:44:22

Conditions obviously played a part in no yellow card there. Need to be consistent from now on though.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:42:57

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GB at 2014-11-08 18:42:27

Going back to those two touches by Hart – this was an excellent example why you should never turn and run away with your back to the ball.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:40:46

Great to see the officials have hit the ground running

GB at 2014-11-08 18:39:46

Got to get the law correct ! Brilliant decision! You can’t touch it twice like that. The omens are looking good.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:38:40

JB with the first big call of the game – miles off side

GB at 2014-11-08 18:37:36

Well the signs look good

GB at 2014-11-08 18:37:02

Chance to see just how much grappling to expect today with the first corner to City

GB at 2014-11-08 18:35:31

A steady start for the officials so far in the first 5 minutes as both teams settle down and get used to the conditions

GB at 2014-11-08 18:34:16

Very close off-side call then for LB – he will be pleased to get his first decision correct.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:30:13

Queens Park Rangers have won the toss so it will be Manchester City to kick off.

Good luck to all the officials and may the ball run kindly for you!

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GB at 2014-11-08 18:26:14

This heavy rain brings with it another factor the officials need to consider to ensure that the players do not take advantage of the conditions to turn a normal challenge into a careless or reckless one.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:25:02

Today’s officials are:

Referee: Mike Dean (MD)

AR1: John Brooks (JB)

AR2: Lee Bretts (LB)

4th Official: Martin Atkinson (MA)

Mike is currently the longest serving on the Select Group Referees List with over 340 matches under his belt at on the Premier League since his elevation in 2000, plus a distinguished FIFA career behind him. This is his 8th match of the season so far. In his previous 7 games he has issued 33 Yellow cards and dismissed two players.

Martin Atkinson finds himself holding up the board twice this weekend with another 4th official appointment in London at Tottenham tomorrow. The YATR Team have been advocating this move out of the limelight for Martin for a number of weeks.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:21:01

Looking back at the history of this encounter, QPR actually have a pretty good record against Man City on their own cabbage patch, with an impressive 9 wins and 9 draws out of the 22 times these two teams have met each other at Loftus Road in various League Fixtures since 1950.

Phil Dowd refereed the last encounter in January 2013 which ended 0-0, with Man City dominated possession but QPR successfully snuffing them out. There were just 2 cautions for each team in that game.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:18:45

QPR will be hoping to repeat the recent form they showed with the victory over Aston Villa a couple of weeks ago and to build on their battling performance at Stamford Bridge last week. I am sure the wily Harry Redknapp will have set out a similar game plan for his side to attempt to counter the midfield superiority of today’s opponents, so the match officials need to be on the lookout for any signs of “spoiling tactics” to break up the flow of play and be prepared to control the tempo if necessary.

GB at 2014-11-08 18:15:18

15 minutes to go and welcome to this evening’s live coverage of a prospective enthralling top versus bottom clash between Queens Park Rangers and Manchester City. These type of fixtures always throw up their own specific challenges for the match officials and I am sure that they will have used their time wisely whilst they have been together for the past 4 hours or so to clearly lay out their game plan for what they are about to receive! These are the types of games which have the potential to bite the officials on the proverbial behind if they do not approach them with right attitude, as there are no “easy games” at this level. Whilst it can be dangerous to ever pre-judge any encounter, it is equally important to be prepared and to fully contemplate the deferring tactics which could be employed by each team considering their respective runs of form and vastly different starting line-ups in terms of skill and experience at the top level.

GB at 2014-11-08 17:49:59