Manchester City v Liverpool


Good bye for now

GB at 2017-09-09 14:49:06

That’s it from me – and thanks for all the interaction today

Full Time Summary

GB at 2017-09-09 14:47:08


The main points in this game from the officials perspective were:

  • Just one massive talking point really in the game from the officials perspective – Red Card for serous foul play, was it or wasn’t it?

Before I return to the Red Card, it has to be said that once again Jon Moss has put a decent shift in today. He was consistent with his recognition of careless and reckless challenges and his fair and unfair play selection was also of a high standard.

He did the hard work at the beginning of the game and set his stall out with his first yellow card in the 5th minute rather than try to “manage” a reckless challenge. From then on he was consistent and the players accepted what he was trying to do.

His movement was satisfactory, if still nothing to right home about, but he did seem to be quicker off the mark occasionally and I even thought I detected a different running style which seemed to look like he no longer had a stone in one of his boots!

So what do we have left …? Oh yes, I remember, a Red Card for Sadio Mané (L19) for kicking the Manchester City Goalkeeper Ederson (MC 31) in the face. Doesn’t sound like there is much to talk about when I put it like that does it?

At the end of the day, I make no excuse for copying the precise text of the law here again (I have put the Bold, underline, and italic for emphasis.

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul

Given the letter of the Law, it would have been much harder for Moss to defend only a yellow card for the challenge on the goalkeeper.

All the “Flatearthers” out there can argue as much as they like that it could have been a yellow card, but no one can blame Jon Moss for doing what he did. It is difficult to complain in the face of the actual contact with the boot into the goalkeeper’s face – if that did not endanger his safety, then what ever would? And read it again the laws says “or uses excessive force or brutality” – it is “or” not “and”.

The debate will go on and on, and that’s why we love football, but anyone who thinks VAR would have overturned that needs to have their head examined.

Finally, think back to the Red Card challenged missed by Howard Webb in his World Cup Final match – no one argues he got that one wrong, when everyone has seen the footage of this, I doubt there will be more thinking that Jon Moss got this one wrong than right.

Let the debate continue.

More Ref Cam this weekend

GB at 2017-09-09 14:28:30


My final summary will follow very shortly.

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GB at 2017-09-09 14:27:40

Full Time

Man City 5 v 0 Liverpool


GB at 2017-09-09 14:26:27

GOAL!  Gabriel Jesus (MC 33)


GB at 2017-09-09 14:25:34

Minimum of 2 added minutes to be played


GB at 2017-09-09 14:24:44

AR1 Edward Smart seems to be very “lenient” with his interpretation of players not only have one defending player between them and the goal-line in this second half. Numerous times he has kept his flag down when players have actually received the ball having been in an offside position so must have been involved in the active play.


GB at 2017-09-09 14:21:00

There was an occasion when I feel the “old” Jon Moss would have cautioned the City player, just to “even things up”, but quite rightly that was just a careless challenge which played the ball first – no need for a yellow card.


GB at 2017-09-09 14:16:35

Emre Can (L 23) quite rightly gets a Yellow Card for that reckless challenge. So good to see Moss being consistent to the end with his yellow cards – he cannot afford to “feel sorry” for Liverpool and over manage challenges like that which are clearly born of frustration!


GB at 2017-09-09 14:12:10

GOAL!  Leroy Sané (MC 19) rubs salt into the wounds of Liverpool now.

Man City 4 v 0 Liverpool


GB at 2017-09-09 14:10:15

Just 13 free kicks awarded in the whole game which is no longer a sceptical of pure football.


GB at 2017-09-09 14:07:55

That HAD to be an offside offence committed by Sergio Agüero (MC 10) as he moved towards the ball and affected the goalkeepers ability to get to it. First real error from the officials so far.


GB at 2017-09-09 14:05:59

Despite the send off, Jon Moss has kept a pretty low profile in this game and is content to let it stay that way. No need to raise his profile any more today.


GB at 2017-09-09 14:03:13

AR Halliday seemed to be limping back from monitoring the placing of the ball for that last goal-kick – much better to sprint back into position, but he looked like he was struggling to move at pace.

GB at 2017-09-09 14:01:37


As the game meanders to the inevitable home win, let me throw this quote from the law in now which I will repeat in my final summary.

I have put ti bold, underline and italic markers, but this is a direct extract.

Serious foul play

A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play.

The use of “or” is relevant and the so is the “must”.


GB at 2017-09-09 13:56:08

Quite often in games after a serious injury the nature of the physical contact drops dramatically in the game. That is certainly what has happened here.


GB at 2017-09-09 13:52:51

The game has obviously gone a bit flat now, but the officials still have a job to do to close this one out without any more controversy.


GB at 2017-09-09 13:49:24

Another clear offside “goal” chalked off followed by the 3rd Man City GOAL! scored by Gabriel Jesus (MC 33)

Man City 3 v 0 Liverpool


GB at 2017-09-09 13:45:46

Considering the scale of the incident in the first half, it has to be said that the players seem to be showing respect to the referee and not reacting negatively towards him


GB at 2017-09-09 13:42:35

Concentration and refocusing on the next 45 minutes is the name of the game for all the officials now – all the fuss about the send off in the first half needs to be parked and moved on from


GB at 2017-09-09 13:40:21

And relax …. 2nd half underway

GB at 2017-09-09 13:37:11

Twitter going mad – just how we like it.

Keep you opinions coming everyone – you already know mine.

Half Time Summary

GB at 2017-09-09 13:35:20


Let me start my half time summary by saying that until the 36th minute there really was little for anyone to notice who was refereeing this game. Moss had kept a firm hand on the game with a strong stance  in respect to unsporting behaviour and was consistent with his cautions.

So now we only have one incident to discuss – and plenty of discussion there is likely to be. Many people have already contacted me with their opinions and whilst I can accept all the talk about contact sport, the law is clear when it talks about serious foul play when a player endangers the safety of an opponent. There has to be a clear distinction between a “high foot” which is raised dangerously, and a “high foot” which makes contact with a players face.

I nailed my colours to the post as soon as I saw the camera angle from behind the goal and I have seen nothing since which has changed my mind. Many may disagree, but I just hope they take “the referee” out of the equation!

Discuss ……………….

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GB at 2017-09-09 13:25:45


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GB at 2017-09-09 13:25:00

Half Time

Man City 2 v 0 Liverpool


GB at 2017-09-09 13:22:14

GOAL! Gabriel Jesus (MC 33)

Man City 2 v 0 Liverpool


GB at 2017-09-09 13:19:28

Good call by AR Halliday to chalk off that City goal for offside


GB at 2017-09-09 13:18:29

The game is underway again and there will be a minimum of 8 additional minutes

GB at 2017-09-09 13:17:10


The more times they show that challenge with the point of contact into the goalkeepers face, I still think that it is fully understandable why Moss went red for that. I do have to say though that I would also not have been surprised if he had gone yellow straight away. The injury to the player should have nothing to do with the colour of the card. Moss was as well positioned as he could be to make that call. Which ever card he brought out he would there was bond to be debate for that one.


GB at 2017-09-09 13:10:26


Look at my last post!

That is precisely what I was talking about Sadio Mané (L19) picks up a red card Red Card for that reckless challenge which endangered the safety of his opponent. When you see the replay with the player’s boot making contact with the goalkeepers face, there can be no argument with that surely?


GB at 2017-09-09 13:06:43

Moss continues to look calm and composed in this game, but he needs to be careful of not getting over-confident. Games like this can change in an instant.


GB at 2017-09-09 13:04:56

That looked like a very tight call then for offside against Gabriel Jesus (MC 33) given by AR Halliday. I have to say that looked onside to me when I played it back.


GB at 2017-09-09 13:01:38

There can be no complaints about that Yellow Card for Fernandinho (MC 25) either as his trip clear stopped another promising attacking move. Moss has been consistent again and has managed to keep full control of this game by giving no surprises so far. Some things just cant be managed, and the players know where they stand in this game. Good basic learning point in the caution procedure was that the referee waited until the player to be cautioned got back up unto his feet.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:58:31

Over halfway through the first half and all the officials will be more than happy with their level of involvement so far.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:57:04

GOAL! Sergio Agüero (MC 10) sets the game alight which was against the run of play

Man City 1 v 0 Liverpool


GB at 2017-09-09 12:55:32

AR Eddie Smart again just waiting that split second before raising his flag – good lining.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:52:56


Consistent refereeing by Moss as Trent Alexander-Arnold (L 66) is the first Liverpool player to receive a Yellow Card for unsporting behaviour as his shirt holding stopped a promising attacking move. That always had to be a caution following the first on earlier in the game


GB at 2017-09-09 12:50:33

Very good use of the whistle to communicate to the players then by Moss


GB at 2017-09-09 12:49:33

Not sure what that “advantage” signal was for – was it because the referee moved out of the way? There did not seem to be any offence by the Man City player.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:47:16

15 minutes in and already the teamwork looks solid again between this crew. The ARs are not the most dynamic on the circuit, but they are all gelling well together this season


GB at 2017-09-09 12:45:47

Will the real Jon Moss please step forward – was that a new running style and almost a sprint I saw then? I hope so ……


GB at 2017-09-09 12:44:07

Once again, Jon Moss’s new found pro-active refereeing style this season is evidenced as he clearly warns Trent Alexander-Arnold (L 66) about time wasting just 10 minutes into the game. By setting the player up like that there can be no moaning later if he receives a yellow card.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:41:31

#mciliv That yellow card in the 5th minute will have settled Jon Moss down I am sure. There are some challenges which you can’t afford to try to manage too early in the game. It was important for him to start strong in this game.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:39:16

Clear reckless challenge and excellent opportunity for the referee to stamp his authority on the game. If Nicolás Otamendi (MC 30) did not get a Yellow Card yellow card for that one, then Moss would have left himself no-where to go later in the game when the challenges start flying in. Now he has set his tolerance level and it will be up to the players to stick with it.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:35:37

Good wait and see then by Ar Halliday as he was able to not need to raise his flag for offside as the ball never got past the last defender. If you don’t flag, the referee does not need to over-rule you


GB at 2017-09-09 12:33:03

Here I go again …. I just cant get over why the Premier League regulations allow goalkeepers to wear the same colour as the referee! Promise not to mention it again!

Kick Off

GB at 2017-09-09 12:31:06

Manchester City won the toss so it will be  Liverpool to kick off.

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GB at 2017-09-09 12:27:31

Not long to go now as the players and officials prepare to leave the tunnel


GB at 2017-09-09 12:26:33


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GB at 2017-09-09 12:22:41


Today’s officials are:

Referee:  Jonathon Moss

AR1: Edward Smart (Technical Area)

AR2: Andy Halliday

4th Official: Craig Pawson

For the fourth time on the bounce his season, the “A Team” of Moss, Smart & Halliday take centre stage in one of the biggest games of the weekend. Everyone at YATR has been quick to give credit where it is due to today’s referee this term after a virtually mistake free opening 3 games. His opening game of Palace v Huddersfield may not have exactly come out of the top drawer, but the result ensured that it got major coverage. A rampant Manchester United v Swansea, followed by a clinical Chelsea v Everton, each proved to be a fair test of this official’s new found confidence and empathy with the players recently.

I have been as critical of the PGMOL as the next man in the past for not appointing the “in form” referees to the top games, so I was keen to jump to Jon Moss’s defence when some social media comments questioned his selection for the Blue Ribbon fixture in week 4!

Last time out I felt that Jon put in the best shift I had seen from him over the past few years, even if I still remain to be convinced that his movement reflects the style and expectations of today’s athletes with the whistle.

So it is over to you are your trusted team once again Jon to keep up the standard you have set for yourself this season, good luck and may the ball run kindly for you!

Here are the starting line-ups for this game:

GB at 2017-09-09 12:20:05

Manchester City

31     Ederson (MC 31)

2       Kyle Walker (MC 2)

3       Danilo (MC 3)

5       John Stones (MC 5)

10     Sergio Agüero (MC 10)

17     Kevin De Bruyne (MC 17)

21     David Silva (MC 21)

22     Benamin Mendy (MC 22)

25     Fernandinho (MC 25)

30     Nicolás Otamendi (MC 30)

33     Gabriel Jesus (MC 33)


1       Claudio Bravo (MC 1)

8       Ilkay Gundgan (MC 8)

15     Eliaquim Mangala (MC 15)

18     Fabian Delph (MC 18)

19     Leroy Sané (MC 19)

20     Bernardo Silva (MC 20)

47     Foden (MC 47)


22     Simon Mignolet (L 22)

5       Georginio Wijnaldum (L 5)

9       Roberto Firmino (L 9)

11     Mohamed Salah (L 11)

14     Jordan Henderson (L 14)

17     Ragnar Kalvan (L 17)

18     Alberto Moreno (L 18)

19     Sadio Mané (L19)

23     Emre Can (L 23)

32     Joel Matip (L 32)

66     Trent Alexander-Arnold (L 66)


1       Loris Karius (L 1)

6       Dejan Lovren (L 6)

7       James Milner (L 7)

12     Joseph Gomez (L 12)

15     Daniel Sturridge (L 15)

21     Oxlade-Chamberlain (L 21)

29     Dominic Solanke (L 29)


GB at 2017-09-09 12:15:43


A mouth-watering clash between two of the top 4 early pace setters and tips for the title awaits us this lunchtime. Whatever the result in this one it is too early to say it will affect the final outcome this season, but it is more about putting a stake in the ground at this stage and saying “we are the team you need to beat” to win the League.

Last time I saw Liverpool they absolutely annihilated Arsenal, but it was well recorded that the visitors did not really turn up at Anfield 2 weeks ago. So this will be more of a test of the clash of the titans this term.

The lunchtime start will no doubt suit both teams who’s managers will each have one eye on their first Champions League fixtures in midweek. Now that the excitement (or lack of it!?) surrounding the closing of the transfer window until the New Year is over, at least we should see the teams made up of the Managers best picks!

With Liverpool unbeaten away from Home since February, and unbeaten Home or Away against Manchester City since August 2014, it would appear that it will be up to the Sky Blues to set the pace if they want to finish with the bragging rights at the end of this one! One thing is for certain, I expect the gloves to come off early, and with all my praise for Jon Moss so far this season, this is likely to produce his sternest test to date.


GB at 2017-09-09 12:14:44

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GB at 2017-09-09 12:11:25


Welcome to this lunch-times’s RefCam coverage of the Premier League game between Manchester City and Liverpool. Minute by minute commentary from the referee’s perspective is about to follow.

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