Hull City v Manchester United

Hull City v Manchester United

Commentary By: Guy Beale

FINAL SCORE: 0 - 0


good byeGB at 2015-05-24 17:06:40
Thanks for your company and I look forward to you tuning in again next week

full time summaryGB at 2015-05-24 17:05:46
This game always had the potential to cause the referee problems if he did not approach it with the correct attitude commensurate with the importance to the home side. I felt that Lee may have missed a trick in the first half when Rooney reacted petulantly towards an opponent and totally got away with it.   The game never really got away from him, but at the same time he never really stamping his authority on the game so that the players knew what they could get away with, whilst still displaying the passion and commitment that their manager and fans expected. Consequently players took the risk of behaving badly and at least one got away with it – Abel Hernández (HC 9) was guilty of clear punching an opponent in the stomach and should have been dismissed. My point is that the players should have been afraid of doing such things thinking they would be sanctioned, but if the referee is weak or missing things they take the risk.   Then there was the clear shirt pull missed in the first half which should have been a penalty and finally the dreadful challenge by Marouane Fellaini (MU 31) which at least got what it deserved.   There still remains a question mark over this referee’s fitness in my opinion which manifested its self by his lack of willingness to penetrate into the penalty area when there was a chance that a big decision might have needed to have been made. I felt this showed a lack of confidence by the referee that he could recover his ground if the play switched quickly to the other end. The evidence was there for everyone to see as he was not in the optimum position and distance from play at times to sell his decisions.  His movement through the middle got more and more laboured as the game progressed and he was far too happy to take root and let the play go on around him at times.   Both Assistants have very good games.   I must get off now and leave you to the 1st Division Play Off

more refcam to comeGB at 2015-05-24 16:56:42
My final summary will follow in a few minutes.   RefCam will be starting again soon for the Play off final League 1 – Preston North End and Swindon Town – KO 17.30 pm   Then there are still some very important games coming up on RefCam over the next week or so I hope you can tune in again for some more commentaries from the referee’s perspective for the following fixtures:   Later tonight, MLS – NY Red Bulls v Philadelphia Union – KO 10.00pm 25th May KO 15.00 pm Play off final Championship – Middlesbrough v Norwich 27th May Europa Cup Final – FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk v FC Sevilla 30th May FA Challenge Cup Final – Arsenal v Aston Villa 31st May KO 10.00 pm MLS – Seattle Sounders FC v New York Red Bulls 6th June Champions League Final – Barcelona v Juventus   A list of all the big games coming up on YATR is always available at: http://you-are-the-ref.com/ref-cam/  

90+7GB at 2015-05-24 16:56:07
Full Time Hull City 0 – 0 Manchester United   And Hull City are relegated

90+4GB at 2015-05-24 16:53:29
just a few minutes left for everyone to remain focussed and fully concentrating

90+2GB at 2015-05-24 16:51:03
Yellow Card Chris Smalling (MU 12) LP right to call play back but his technique over that caution was not brilliant

90GB at 2015-05-24 16:49:05
minimum of 7 added minutes to be played

89GB at 2015-05-24 16:48:42
Yellow Card Michael Dawson (HC 21) Takes one for the team just outside of the penalty area

89GB at 2015-05-24 16:47:58
HL has carried on from where DC left off in the first half with his off side decisions

88GB at 2015-05-24 16:47:17
his arms are pumping but his lags aren’t moving!

88GB at 2015-05-24 16:46:43
at this late stage LP lack of movement is really showing up – he is even struggling to get off the mark

83GB at 2015-05-24 16:42:15
I expect to see the referee really taking the fizz out of this game from here on in now. Just giving everything

80GB at 2015-05-24 16:39:45
It is all very well taking the correct action after offences have taken place (provided you see them!), but the skill of a referee is in being pro-active before such misconduct happens and managing the game so they don’t

76GB at 2015-05-24 16:36:17
Red Card Marouane Fellaini (MU 31)   One missed and one seen. I did predict that this could get feisty and I was not far off!

75GB at 2015-05-24 16:35:10
and there we have another major talking point which was missed by all the officials as a player is punched in the stomach and not one of the officials saw it. Even the 4th official could have stepped in then with advice to the referee that the player should have been sent off for violent conbduct

74GB at 2015-05-24 16:33:23
HL joins the party with his first off side

72GB at 2015-05-24 16:31:07
free kick given before off side flag.

70GB at 2015-05-24 16:29:26
HL showing good focus there as the players came towards him in the corner

68GB at 2015-05-24 16:26:55
another example of a delayed whistle with no advantage signal

66GB at 2015-05-24 16:25:24
he is managing the players with a smile and communicating with them all well at the moment but that could all change. He will need all his experience to keep the lid on this as we get closer to the end

65GB at 2015-05-24 16:24:06
The pressure is really going to build on LP in the next 25 minutes so I hope he gets in close enough when that big call come along

63GB at 2015-05-24 16:22:07
Hull have certainly had their chances to score today

62GB at 2015-05-24 16:20:50
Once again, you have to say what is the referee doing outside of the penalty area with the ball on the goal line. He should be pressing towards the play to get a close view of that goal-mouth scramble

60GB at 2015-05-24 16:19:27
another chance here for LP to manage the grappling at this corner

59GB at 2015-05-24 16:17:57
The officials need to react appropriately to the introduction of Marouane Fellaini (MU 31) who can be a hand full at the best of times

57GB at 2015-05-24 16:16:23
Yellow Card Daley Blind (MU 17)   Very important and correct yellow card there for delaying the re-start. If that had not been carried out properly we would have had total anarchy!

55GB at 2015-05-24 16:14:21
DC following the ball to the goal-line there in classic professional fassion

54GB at 2015-05-24 16:13:31
well done LP not to get duped by that fall by the Hull player – I hope that is not the shape of things to come in this half

50GB at 2015-05-24 16:10:17
still a lot of grappling going on in the Man Utd penalty area then but not quiet as bad as in the first half. Referee is a long way out to deal with it

49GB at 2015-05-24 16:08:53
good free kick there correctly given outside of the penalty area

46GB at 2015-05-24 16:06:23
the referee does not seem to have a really energetic sprint in him for when play switches ends

45GB at 2015-05-24 16:03:32
Second half under way   I expect Harry Lennard (HL) to have a lot more to do in the second half

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half timeGB at 2015-05-24 15:57:50
In this week’s edition of The Ref Show the talk covers the extra place in the 2015/16 UEFA Europa League for EPL clubs to strive for as a result of UEFA Respect fair play and discusses the perceived benefits this could bring in the future if it encourages more respect for referees at the top level.   As always the panel were able to balance their comments across some generally good performances again this week as well, pointing out one or two less than perfect decisions made by both Referees and Assistants in the latest round of fixture.   There is sure to be lots to talk about in the next edition following the play offs.   All the previous editions, remain available to view at The Ref Show   As always, YATR values your opinions on all the points raised by out experts via Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com

half time summaryGB at 2015-05-24 15:56:39
Well there have been a few talking points in the first half.   Lee will be very disappointed when he sees the replays of that shirt pull in the Man Utd penalty area which was a stone wall penalty to Hull. He seemed to be in a good position to see it but took no action at all – I can’t believe he saw it and just played on, so what was he looking at it has to be said?   Then there was the behaviour of Wayne Rooney in the corner. There really needed to be some sort of response to that from the officials. It may not have been a red card offence, but it really required the officials to deal with it, otherwise it sends out the totally wrong signal to the rest of the players. Let’s be honest, this game could get very feisty in the second half, so that incident may be looked back on as an example of the referee not being consistent – time will tell!   The referee has been very calm so far and seems to be relaxed but he is jus not “on his toes” enough for me. He seems to be happy to stop and let the players move around him rather than quickly move out of their way. He is certainly not pressing into the penalty area so one must assume he is saving his energy?   Darren Cann has been on fire as usual, and has been simply faultless so far, and it has been a very quiet afternoon so far for Harry Lenard.  

half timeGB at 2015-05-24 15:48:58
Keith Hackett’s first blog this week was a well-structured educational piece explained the throw-in Law 5 in detail and echoed some of my own thoughts about how disappointing it is to see this simple law not administered appropriately at all levels.   This was followed by Keith passing on his best wishes to Chris Foy as he moves to pastures new and gives his verdict on his new position in the PGMOL management structure. Catch these along with all previous blogs which are still available now at Hackett’s Blog   As usual there are many other new articles available at YATR-MAG including the second instalment of the recent interview with ex Top FIFA Referee from Denmark, Kim Milton part 2 which is a very interesting read for referees at all levels.   The You Are The Ref Facebook page is also proving to be a great place to keep track on what’s new and is well work a “like” at  https://www.facebook.com/youaretheref   Let us know what you think about the views of our experts published in any of this media on Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com

GB at 2015-05-24 15:48:21
Half Time   Hull City 0 – 0 Manchester United

45+2GB at 2015-05-24 15:47:53
well done again DC – and nothing wrong with a smile then either

45+1GB at 2015-05-24 15:46:38
if United had scored then I think Steve Bruce would have gone mad after that slight body check which LP missed from his position

45GB at 2015-05-24 15:45:41
2 minutes to be added

43GB at 2015-05-24 15:43:48
The tempo has just dropped a bit but I expect the second half to be the main even

41GB at 2015-05-24 15:42:32
Going back to the Rooney incident, the assistant HL would have done better to have flagged for that to show all the players that the officials were a team and at least one of them spotted it

38GB at 2015-05-24 15:39:47
Wayne Rooney (MU 10) was a very luck man there not to be punished at all for that trip – or was it a kick?   If this games starts getting away from the referee that incident will be the one to hang it on

36GB at 2015-05-24 15:37:40
that was not best practice by LP. By all means play advantage and bring game back but you must signal so everyone knows what you are doing. Otherwise it just looks like you are being indecisive.

35GB at 2015-05-24 15:36:04
replays show that the player did not help himself by NOT GOING DOWN in that Hull attack, one time when being a good sportsman worked against him

30GB at 2015-05-24 15:31:17
LP has set his tolerance level already for when to show a yellow card. I think he is right not to go reaching for his pocket too early today

28GB at 2015-05-24 15:29:46
that was a clear push in the back which was not given – referee must have seen it. Is LP trying too hard to keep the game going?

25GB at 2015-05-24 15:26:35
another excellent off side call then from DC

25GB at 2015-05-24 15:26:05
LP seems to be using that “extra green line” ahead of the penalty area as a stopping point at each end

24GB at 2015-05-24 15:25:03
replays of a clear shirt pull in the Man Utd penalty area must have been missed by the referee

23GB at 2015-05-24 15:24:05
LP has found himself getting in the way of the players a few times in this game already. He needs to get both deeper and wider

22GB at 2015-05-24 15:22:59
That type of reaction from the player over a throw in does not normally come from nothing. In a game like this even just a throw in the wrong way can ignite tensions

20GB at 2015-05-24 15:21:36
I wonder if Steve Bruce was saying to Harry then “bet you are glad you are no on that side”?

19GB at 2015-05-24 15:20:42
Darren Cann on fire again – just the man you want in your side in a game of this much importance with so much pressure.

18GB at 2015-05-24 15:19:48
looks like we have a game on -

17GB at 2015-05-24 15:19:14
Off side  every day – would have been interested if the player had not touched the ball though

17GB at 2015-05-24 15:18:13
no need for DC to bolt a flag on for that free kick as the whistle went so quickly

GB at 2015-05-24 15:16:21
apologies to Darren Cann – I have just realised that he was responsible for that earlier excellent non off side flag in the Hull attack – I should have known!

13GB at 2015-05-24 15:13:36
good eye contact then between officials for that throw-in near half way line – this is where eye contact is really required particularly in front of the technical areas

10GB at 2015-05-24 15:10:50
with the ball on the goal-line I would have expected the referee to be pressing into the penalty area

9GB at 2015-05-24 15:09:48
that’s more like it. LP looking to stamp him authority on the game now with that free kick just outside of the Man Utd penalty area

7GB at 2015-05-24 15:08:45
still a free kick though quite rightly

7GB at 2015-05-24 15:08:17
nothing in that class of players for the referee to be too concerned with, looked like and accidental clash

6GB at 2015-05-24 15:07:01
1st excellent off side decision not to flag goes to HL – Well Done, spot on

5GB at 2015-05-24 15:06:20
That 1st free kick almost seemed like an after-though for LP. I know he will want to keep this game moving but he also needs to keep a firm grip

5GB at 2015-05-24 15:05:18
5 minutes gone and the tempo is as expected

2GB at 2015-05-24 15:02:32
I know the game has only just started but already I have a feeling that LP is pulling up short of the penalty area

1GB at 2015-05-24 15:01:05
Those extra “green” lines on the field of play should help the assistants today to get their off side decisions right!

1GB at 2015-05-24 15:00:46
AR1: Harry Lennard (HL) is patrolling the touchline in front of the technical areas.

0GB at 2015-05-24 15:00:23
Hull City  won the toss so it will be Manchester United to kick off.   Good luck to all the officials and may the ball run kindly for you!   Feel free to interact with me during the game by joining in on Twitter @youaretheref or e-mail at info@you-are-the-ref.com

pre matchGB at 2015-05-24 14:56:10
Not long to go now as the players and officials prepare to leave the tunnel

officialsGB at 2015-05-24 14:48:30
In the past, all those officials awarded fixtures on the last day of the Football League and Premier League campaigns were always selected on merit, along with the occasional sentimental “gold watch” appointment for those retiring at the end of the season. Getting a game on the last day of the season was right up there with being out on the first day of the season and Boxing Day on every official’s wish lists.   So tell us what you think of  this lot today – which ones would be your top ten based on what you have seen this season?  via Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com .  
Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion   Mark Clattenburg
Aston Villa v Burnley   Mike Jones
Chelsea v Sunderland   Lee Mason
Crystal Palace v Swansea   Craig Pawson
Everton v Tottenham Hotspur   Jonathan Moss
Hull City v Manchester United   Lee Probert
Leicester City v Queens Park Rangers   Michael Oliver
Manchester City v Southampton   Chris Foy
Newcastle United v West Ham United   Martin Atkinson
Stoke City v Liverpool   Anthony Taylor
  My most memorable last day of the season appointment was Bradford City v Liverpool in May 2000. That year, Liverpool needed to win the game to qualify for the Champions League and Bradford needed to win to stay in the Premier League – Bradford won 1 – 0 on a very emotional afternoon.

officialsGB at 2015-05-24 14:46:38
Today’s Assistants:   AR1: Harry Lennard (HL) Harry joined the National List in 2009 and was promoted to the Premier League 2012, since then he has completed 76 games in the top league. He completed the final eight days of the UEFA CORE (Centre of Refereeing Excellence) programme in July last year, which leads to a CORE diploma of achievement and is a precursor to being selected as a FIFA List Assistant Referee. He did not make the grade for this year but has already been involved in 3 UEFA matches.   Harry is a PC during the week which has been a career which has produced a number of top officials over the years, not least Howard Webb, Chris Foy and Alan Wiley, so maybe this bodes well for this keen and competent official who has obviously had a good season, otherwise he would not be on this game. He will be the Reserve Assistant Referee at Wembley for the FA Cup final next weekend.   AR2: Darren Cann (DC) Darren Cann was forced to remove his FIFA badge from his shirt in January of this year due to him reaching the current mandatory retirement age for FIFA officials of 45. His achievements at the highest level of officiating in the world make for very impressive reading and were suitably summarised in tributes by Keith Hackett ( Take a bow Darren ) and Glenn Turner ( Norwich to Nou-camp ) earlier in the season.   It is fitting that Darren has been selected for one of the only 2 fixtures on the last day which have the most riding on them in respect to battle to avoid relegation. Even though he no longer sports his FIFA badge, Darren has been a shining light to all the other assistants on the list this season as a constant reminder of the importance accuracy, consistency and team-work.   With two “in-form” assistants on duty today I am looking forward to seeing some quality lining being displayed.   4th Official: Andre Mariner (AM) Andre is trusted with keeping order in the technical areas as well as assisting the referee should he miss any serious misconduct on the field of play, for the 15th time this season  

officialsGB at 2015-05-24 14:44:47
Today’s officials are: Referee:  Lee Probert (LP) AR1: Harry Lennard (HL) AR2: Darren Cann (DC) 4th Official: Andre Mariner (AM)   Last season’s FA Cup Final referee Lee Probert has been given the honour of taking charge of the biggest game of the day and he will be fully cognisant of the consequences of any mistakes in match changing incidents this afternoon. There is no doubt that Lee has the experience and ability to read the game which has stood him in good stead since his rise to the top flight in 2007, but it remains to be seen if he can leave everyone in no doubt that he has fully returned to full fitness since his early season injury. It is one thing have a good football brain which allows you to feel the game and always be in total control of the participants, but that will not help you if you can’t get into the critical positions and be close enough to the play when the big call comes along.   Lee obtained his FIFA badge in 2010 and has only refereed 16 matches in Europe in the past 5 years and is unlikely to progress in the UEFA rankings now, due to his age and lack of games this season. He has a great personality and communicates and interacts well with the players, but he may need more than that today if this game goes to the wire and the score at Newcastle is going the way that the Tigers are hoping for.   Lee has refereed Hull once so far this season (the time before that was last season’s FA Cup final), and this will be the first time he has refereed Manchester United since April last year. With only 6 games under his belt in the Premier League this season since he joined the party late on 4th April, Lee needs to repay the confidence those doing the appointments have vested in him today!   Coming from the South, our paths crossed a bit as Lee was making his mark as a young referee in the Southern League and we spent many hours together in the car driving around the south of England when Lee was occasionally appointed to run the line to me in the Panel Leagues competitions. I don’t wish to imply any credit what so every for what Lee has genuinely earned in his career, but I always tease him whenever we meet that he got his big break when I twisted my ankle after 2 minutes of a Football Combination game with Bristol Rovers Reserves, and Lee took over the middle as Senior Linesman. He had a great game that night and at the end of that season he was promoted to the Football League line, and I was soon returning the complement and running the line to him in the Football League and Premier League.

teamsGB at 2015-05-24 14:41:44
Here are the teams for today’s  game:   HULL CITY  Hull Yannick Sagbo (HC 20) James Chester (HC 5) David Meyler (HC 7) Tom Huddlestone (HC 8) Robbie Brady (HC 11) Paul McShane (HC 15) Curtis Davies (HC 6) Nikica Jelavi? (HC 18) Michael Dawson (HC 21) Ahmed Elmohamady (HC 27) D N’Doye (HC 28) Stephen Quinn (HC 29) Substitutes Allan McGregor (HC 1) Liam Rosenior (HC 2) Alex Bruce (HC 4) Abel Hernández (HC 9) A Roberson (HC 24) Sone Aluko (HC 24) Andrew Robertson (HC26 )   MANCHESTER UNITED Man Utd V Valdes (MU 32) Phil Jones (MU 4) Marcos Rojo (MU 5) Ángel Di Maria (MU 7) Juan Mata (MU 8) Wayne Rooney (MU 10) Chris Smalling (MU 12) Daley Blind (MU 17) Ashley Young (MU 18) Ander Herrera (MU 21) Luis Antonio Valencia (MU 25) Substitutes Adnan Januzaj (MU 11) Anders Lindegaard (MU 13) Robin van Persie (MU 20) Marouane Fellaini (MU 31) Paddy McNair (MU 33) Tyler Blackett (MU 42) James Wilson (MU 49)

pre matchGB at 2015-05-24 14:39:13
Looking back at the history of this match in League competitions in Hull, you need to go back to 1974 when the teams met in the old Division 2 for a Home win. The total stats for League games in Hull are not quite so depressing for Hull fans as Man Utd are only just ahead with 5 wins to Hull’s 4 and 2 draws since the teams first met in the League back in 1905. Taking all League games into consideration home and away, the picture is a bit different, with Man Utd way ahead with 16 wins to Hull’s 4 home victories and 3 matches having ended in a draw.   Manchester United hardly broke into a sweat in the reverse fixture this season in November which they cruised through to win 3 – 0. This game was presided over by Anthony Taylor, who needed 4 cautions at 2 apiece for each team to maintain control of the proceedings.

pre matchGB at 2015-05-24 14:37:43
So it all comes down to the final 90 minutes of the season for the home side, who just have to small task of beating Manchester United and hoping that Newcastle don’t win at home to West Ham to secure Premier League football at the Kingston Communications Stadium next season. If that was not a big enough ask anyway, Hull also have to get over the fact that they have yet to ever win a game against any opposition in the Premier League in May. In fact it’s even worse than that for the Tigers, as Steve Bruce admitted this week that he has never beaten a Manchester United side with any team he has managed over the past 17 years. Records are made to be broken though!   There is some good news for Hull City fans though, because this really is a dead rubber as far as their opponents are concerned today. Nothing can stop the Red Devils taking place in the qualifying round of next seasons Champions League now and only a mathematical equation which is highly unlikely would get them above Arsenal for the full Champions League place. So who knows how they are likely to approach this game?   As for the current Premier League for table, both teams are below half way having picked up just 13 points between them over their respective last 6 games each.  
Form Pos CLUB  League
 PosHOME FORM PTSAWAY FORM PTSLAST 6 MATCHES PTS14Man Utd 4W W W W L D  13L W W L W W9W L L L W D 716Hull City 18W D L W L L 11L D L L W L9L W W L L L  6

pre matchGB at 2015-05-24 14:36:43
25 minutes to go before KO and welcome to this afternoon’s live minute by minute RefCam coverage of the Premier League clash between Hull City and Manchester United.   Before we get going, any thoughts on yesterday’s Play Off final referee? Did you think he had enough left in the tank at the end?   Feel free to interact with me during the game by joining in on Twitter @youaretheref or e-mail at info@you-are-the-ref.com