Crystal Palace v West Ham United


GT at 2016-10-15 19:45:46

Thanks again for joining me on Refcam today…your contributions have been first class again.

I’m going for a lay-down and a cup of calming tea!

Looking forward to being with you all again very soon…

GT at 2016-10-15 19:43:59

As we end our live coverage for today…

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GT at 2016-10-15 19:41:42


Let us try to end on a positive note.

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GT at 2016-10-15 19:39:07

The assistant referees list has been in need of a shake-up for three seasons now.

there are too many on that list who should have been moved on years ago, and Peter Kirkup fits that bill, I’m afraid.

There are others too, but we all know this – along with all other huge errors by match officials – will be ignored by the PGMOL and the same old incompetencies will be seen again next week, and so on.

The General Manager will again be silent this week, when everyone deserves an explanation of what is being done to smarten up the referees and assistants.

Yes, I am very frustrated at his latest in a long list of awful decisions, and no, I will not stop highlighting them until supporters, managers, coaches, players, owners et al are given open and honest feedback on what is being put in place to get refereeing performances back to an acceptable standard

GT at 2016-10-15 19:32:15

For most of the game, Atko was breezing through it.

He moved better than I have seen him move for years, and his decision making was spot on.

Then he cautioned Cresswell for simulation, when there was contact on him inside the opposition’s penalty area.

That that card was compounded by Kirkup moment of madness.

What a shame for the entire refereeing team as they were heading for glory, only to be sunk by two awful decisions.

GT at 2016-10-15 19:29:31

…quite what assistant referee Peter Kirkup thinks he saw is beyond me.

The decision to have Cresswell sent off for a second yellow card was diabolical.

Let us not forget this is the assistant who was sent home from the EUROS when his referee and fellow countryman on the other line remained in the tournament.

As much as I know and like Peter as a person, that kind of decision shows us all why.

He should go into the West Ham United dressing room and ask Cresswell for forgiveness.

A simply dreadful decision which leaves me thinking he is looking for a big decision in order to be noticed.

GT at 2016-10-15 19:25:43

One of the hardest things for all officials is the fact that you can be brilliant for 89 minutes, but awful for one…and that is the one you will be remembered for…

GT at 2016-10-15 19:24:17

Now let’s take a look at the refereeing performances…

GT at 2016-10-15 19:23:41

West Ham will be delighted with that result.

Not only the win, but a rare clean sheet from a team which has shipped goals this season.

GT at 2016-10-15 19:21:59

Full Time


GT at 2016-10-15 19:21:42

Atko eases the pressure on the West Ham defence as he finds a foul for them and a caution for Wickham

Yellow Card

GT at 2016-10-15 19:20:14

Fantastic save from Adrian as Palace throw everything at West Ham in search of the equalising effort

GT at 2016-10-15 19:18:25

Free kick for West Ham for holding.

Good call, referee

GT at 2016-10-15 19:17:43

That is the end of the regular 90 minutes.

4 added minutes to go on.

GT at 2016-10-15 19:16:13

The goal scorer Lanzini is replaced by Nordtveit, as West Ham try to eat up more valuable moments

GT at 2016-10-15 19:15:17

Simon Jackson @Jackson_S_D
@eltav @youaretheref never a yellow card that 2nd foul. If it is (and not sure what law would apply) l, you’d be 7 a side every week. Poor

I absolutely agree 100% with your Tweet, Simon.

A very, very poor call from an assistant referee who should have kept out of the incident. He was a hindrance, not a help.

86 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 19:13:25

Calleri replaces Zaza as West Ham look to close this one out

GT at 2016-10-15 19:12:08

Into the final five minutes of the regular 90 we go…

GT at 2016-10-15 19:11:12

Let us not forget…that is the fourth consecutive meeting between these two sides which has seen a red card

GT at 2016-10-15 19:09:57

A lack of consistency from Kirkup…having given a free kick and instruction for a second yellow card five minutes ago, he lets an identical challenge go unpunished, right under his nose.

GT at 2016-10-15 19:08:26

And whilast all of that was happening, West Ham substituted Payet for Fernandes

GT at 2016-10-15 19:07:14

I am afraid all of the refereeing team’s good work has now been undone.

Firstly, there was contact on Cresswell, so it was definitely NOT simulation. I also believe a penalty kick should have been awarded to West Ham United.

Then, to compound the error by Atko, Peter Kirkup goes totally overboard in telling Atko to issue a second caution.That was never a second cautionable offence by Cresswell.

A really bad few moments from referee and assistant referee

GT at 2016-10-15 19:04:37

…now let’s dissect those last two crazy minutes

76 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 19:04:00

…and it becomes and even bigger decision as Peter Kirkup calls Atko over following a small foul by Cresswell then tells him to issue a second yellow card.

Yellow CardRed Cardthe West Ham man, just back from a long term knee injury has been sent off

GT at 2016-10-15 19:02:13

Big decision

Yellow Cardfor Cresswell for simulation inside the Palace penalty area

71 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 18:58:54

Wickham takes over from McArthur as Palace go in search of the equaliser

GT at 2016-10-15 18:57:57

Twenty minutes to go….

Will West Ham hang on to all three points,or can Palace get back into this one?

Let us know what you think and give us your views by contacting us on Twitter @youaretheref

GT at 2016-10-15 18:56:09

Atko looks to play advantage as Myers slides in and makes contact with Kouyate.

Nothing came for West Ham though so he awarded a free kick.

For me, that is his first mistake of the game though, as Myers played the ball and his momentum, coupled with the slippery conditions meant that contact was inevitable.

64 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 18:52:16

Zaha goes to ground very easily again as he looks for a penalty.

Although, to be clinical about these things, his shirt was being pulled.

62 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 18:49:59

Ogbonna ‘takes one for the team’ as he pulls down Zaha, who was making his way towards the penalty area.

Caution absolutely correct by Atko Yellow Card

GT at 2016-10-15 18:48:23

@youaretheref Pen def foul but he tried to play the ball & the striker nips across him & is unintentionally caught. Not always given in area

Tweet in from@ elTav, who also makes a sensible point that those are not always given.

There was no fooling Atko today though, my friend, and he correctly pointed to the spot.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:45:53

Puncheon and Zaza are playing silly, chest-out games with each other.

They really should grow up.

Atko delays the re-start of play and tells them both to behave and get on with the game.

Good awareness and sensible refereeing.

If either of them goes into his book now, they cannot say they were not warned.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:43:50

Excellent work and movement from Atko as play breaks quickly from inside the Palace penalty area to Townsend who is up field and wide left.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:40:52

Martin is keeping a sensible, midfield position for most of this game.

As it lacks a pattern and, it has to be said, quality he is sticking around the middle of the field as play is moving to-and-fro before him.

Good awareness, referee.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:37:42

Cresswell and Ward clash but Atko wisely tells them to get on with it.

No foul.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:35:35

Palace get the second half under way.

Their manager Alan Pardew has made a couple of changes as Cabaye and Fryers join the action

GT at 2016-10-15 18:26:29

It has been a very good opening 45 minutes from Atko.

Everything he has called has been correct, whilst he is moving around the field of play better this season than he was in the last campaign.

All of that bike riding during pre-season has obviously paid off for him!

GT at 2016-10-15 18:24:36

The big, Palace forward almost made amends right at the end of the half with a header which grazed the post.

As for the penalty kick award…Atko did really well as two big decisions came his way in quick succession.

Firstly, Zaha went down far too easily just outside the West Ham penalty area, and Martin correctly ignored his claims for a free kick.

But immediately, as the ball broke, a silly challenge went in from Ogbonna on Benteke, and the penalty was correctly awarded.

Very good refereeing all round from Atko.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:17:01

Half Time


GT at 2016-10-15 18:16:33

…and completely misses the target.

What a terrible penalty kick

GT at 2016-10-15 18:15:49

Benteke steps up….

GT at 2016-10-15 18:15:27

Penalty to Crystal Palace

GT at 2016-10-15 18:14:11

Surprised Atko didn’t delay the taking of that corner kick as Benteke and Reid were having the clearest of wrestling matches!

GT at 2016-10-15 18:12:53

Zaza earns a free kick for West Ham after he is brought to ground.

Correct again, referee.

GT at 2016-10-15 18:07:10

10 minutes to go and it is so far, so good for Atko and his team who haven’t put a foot wrong in this one

GT at 2016-10-15 18:03:32

It is raining quite heavily at Selhurst Park now, and that brings added problems for the referee to consider as players will begin slipping around and sliding into challenges.

Atko needs to decide which of those were genuine attempts to play the ball and which were simply players using the conditions as an excuse to foul an opponent

30 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 18:00:30

Atko is in a great position to correctly award a free kick to Palace as Reid takes out Benteke from behind

GT at 2016-10-15 17:58:46

Benteke clatters into Kouyate with his arm but both players were making an honest attempt to had the ball.

Atko is absolutely correct….foul, free kick but no card.

Good refereeing from the West Yorkshireman.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:56:04

Advantage played by Atko, but then he calls back play and awards a free kick to Palace for a foul on Benteke.

The decision was correct, but he should have held back his advantage signal a little longer.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:53:27

Edward Smart lives up to his name with a good offside call on Benteke, who is caught out by the advancing West Ham defenders

20 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 17:52:30

Yellow Carda poor challenge by Mark Noble on Townsend sees the West Ham man pick up his third caution of the season.

Correct decision by Atko.


GT at 2016-10-15 17:51:12

Some lovely exchanges of passing between Cresswell and Payet, see the returning full-back put in a low cross which Lanzini turns in

18 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 17:49:59

GOAL! Lanzini


GT at 2016-10-15 17:47:32

The game needs someone to grab hold of it by the scruff of the neck and dominate.

Our refereeing team is doing well in this opening quarter of an hour, though.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:44:01

Good advantage applied by Atko as West Ham go through the gears in midfield

GT at 2016-10-15 17:41:55

10 minutes in and the game still hasn’t really settled into any sort of pattern.

Atko is refereeing in a low-key style which is helping the game’s pace.

7 minutes

GT at 2016-10-15 17:38:06

Puncheon pulls down his man right in front of the referee.

Free kick correctly awarded to West Ham.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:36:15

It’s a fast and furious start in these opening five minutes.

Atko is happy to stay out of the action and let the players get on with it.

Well done, referee.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:33:44

Firm but fair challenge by Tompkins.

Well judged by Atko…throw-in to West Ham.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:32:41

Edward Smart takes the opportunity to remind Creswell where the throwing should be taken from.

I like to see that…an official breaking down barriers with players early in a game.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:30:41

Crystal Palace take the kick-off and get us underway…

GT at 2016-10-15 17:24:47

It’s almost time for kick-off at Selhurst Park.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:11:13

As for our officials today…

In a weekend of some highly questionable appointments from the PGMOL, Martin Atkinson is a very sensible choice for this encounter.

The West Yorkshireman will need all of his steely-grit and experience to keep a lid on a game which has seen a sending-off in each of the last three clashes (Kouyate in April, Gayle last October and Murray in February of last year).

Throw into the mix the gripes both of the managers have with referee Atkinson – Bilic blamed him for West Ham’s failure to make it through to last season’s FA Cup semi-final – and you can see what a tough game this could prove to be.

Nonetheless, Atko is one of our top-rated referees, and knowing him as I do he will not be phased by past events.

Running the lines for Martin today are Peter Kirkup and Edward Smart.

Crystal Palace was one of my favourite grounds to operate as an assistant as the crowd is close to you, and they don’t miss a thing!

It is no place for the feint-hearted though, and Peter and Edward will need to be at the top of their games today in a game which brings plenty of baggage with it.

Bobby Madley makes up the team as fourth official.

Everyone at YATR sends their best wishes to the refereeing team for this one…we hope the ball runs kindly for you all.

GT at 2016-10-15 17:02:06

Hi everyone, and welcome to the second of the today’s live Refcam commentary games.

Following the earlier Chelsea v Leicester City game we now bring for you the all-London clash between Crystal Palace and West Ham United, being played at Selhurst Park.

Palace head into this one right in form and will fancy their chances of equalling their best ever Premier League run by avoiding defeat (six matches).

However, their most recent history against today’s opponents isn’t that good, with the Eagles securing just one victory in the past four meetings.

Indeed, The Hammers have won both of the last two encounters at Selhurst Park.

But…West Ham are not enjoying the best of times with no wins in their last five Premier League matches, whilst conceding seventeen goals already this season.

Many pundits have this one down for a draw, but what do you think?

Let us know who you believe will be triumphant by contacting us either on Twitter @youaretheref

This is a big game for both sides which could also go a long way to deciding the future for Slaven Bilic.

Don’t go anywhere…this is usually a firecracker of a clash.