Crystal Palace v Manchester United

Crystal Palace v Manchester United

Commentary By: Guy Beale

FINAL SCORE: 1 - 2



good night

GB at 2015-05-09 19:47:59

Thanks for you company and I hope you can keep up with RefCam again tomorrow for thee more games


final summary

GB at 2015-05-09 19:46:40

Well it should be said at the outset that Michael Oliver was never put under pressure in that game at all and remained totally in control from the start to the finish. He adapted to the pace of the game and increased his involvement accordingly in the second half when he was required to raise his profile slightly. He managed the players well and moved around the field of play effortlessly.

 

Which brings me on to his positioning, generally this was very good, but it was not perfect all the time, which has led to another penalty decision getting away from him in the 53rd minute. There was one particular camera angle that showed precisely how Michael had a player between him and the incident which blocked his view of the contact on Jason Puncheon (CP 42) who seemed to be tripped him to the ground. This showed the difference which just a slight re-positioning can do to ensure that the optimum angle is achieved to spot the big calls.

 

A bit later in the game in the 70th minute, Michael Oliver showed what he should have done by the way he changed his direction of run to get the best angle as the play entered the penalty area. There were a number of other occasions when Michael seemed to get sucked into the player’s part of the field of play just outside of the penalty area where they wanted to play the ball.

 

None of this affected his control as I said at the top but there is such a fine line between good and perfect positioning at this level – lots for Michael to look at with his coach.

 

Final comment on the push in the build up to the United 2nd goal – yes there was contact but in real time that would have been impossible for the officials to spot, still got it wrong though.

 

As for the assistants:

I was impressed with Simon Bennett, he may not have had a lot to do, but his body language and technique were faultless and he showed what you need to do to shine in a quiet game.

Mick Mc McDonough did not have a bad game either, just one off side which for me he was wrong as only Marouane Fellaini’s arm was in an off side position.

 

So my final summary reads a bit like a “curates egg”, some really good bits and overall a good performance and teamwork by everyone, but just a shame there were some errors made again due to a lack of positioning.


full time

GB at 2015-05-09 19:26:01

In his blogs this week, Keith Hackett has analysed the appointments for the most important games left in the Football League calendar for this season (vis-à-vis the Play Offs) and raised the question as to whether the PGMOL have missed an opportunity to publically demonstrate a positive succession planning strategy, by not blooding some of the up-and-coming stars from the ranks of the National List, rather than sticking to some officials who (although fully competent to meet the challenges of these games) may be coming to the end of their careers.

 

The selection criteria process for this season’s FA Cup final referee is also revisited, along with a reminder to all our top officials to be totally aware of the requirements for the ultimate sanction in respect to Denying an Obvious Goal-scoring Opportunity (DOGSO). All these blogs are still available now at http://you-are-the-ref.com/author/keith-hackett .

 

As usual there are many other new articles in the regular YATR Mag area of the website including a commendation for the way Martin Atkinson flew the flag with honour for all English referees in his handling of the 1st leg of the Champions League Semi Final on Tuesday between Juventus and Real Madrid. You can catch up with the YATR Mag at http://you-are-the-ref.com/yatr-mag/

 

The You Are The Ref Facebook page is also proving to be a great place to keep track on what’s new and is well work a “like” at  https://www.facebook.com/youaretheref

 

Let us know what you think about the views of our experts published in any of this media on Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com


full time

GB at 2015-05-09 19:25:34

My final summary will follow in a few minutes; meanwhile I hope you can stay with us on Sunday for more Premier League action at:

 

Man City v QPR  KO 1:30pm

 

and

 

Chelsea v Liverpool KO 4:00pm

 

Followed by more thoughts on the standard of referees in the MLS when we cover

 

Toronto FC v Houston KO 10:00pm

 

A list of all the big games coming up on YATR is always available at: http://you-are-the-ref.com/ref-cam/


90+4

GB at 2015-05-09 19:24:57

Full Time

Crystal Palace 1 – 2 Manchester United


90+1

GB at 2015-05-09 19:22:26

great position on the goal line then by SB – watch and learn on that one! Very well done


90

GB at 2015-05-09 19:21:31

minimum of 4 added minutes

 


89

GB at 2015-05-09 19:21:04

in time honoured fashion SKY have found an angle to show a push just before United’s 2nd goal, but that would have been almost impossible for the officials to spot


87

GB at 2015-05-09 19:19:00

mo JUST DELAYED HIS DIRCTION SIGNAL FOR THAT LAST THROW-IN BY A SECOND TO SEE WHICH TEAM PICKED IT UP – SOMETIMES THAT IS A GREAT TACTIC TO LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION FOR YOU IF YOU ARE NOT SURE WHOS THROW IT IS


85

GB at 2015-05-09 19:16:43

MO in perfect position to judge ball hit Marouane Fellaini (MU 31) on the chest – NOT HANDBALL


82

GB at 2015-05-09 19:13:55

good advantage there by MO followed by straight forward free kick for careless challenge.

 

Substitutions change games as we know so the officials need to adapt to any change in tactics in the last few minutes


80

GB at 2015-05-09 19:11:10

I have lost count of the amount of time MO has needed to dodge the ball just outside of the penalty areas


79

GB at 2015-05-09 19:10:25

SB could have given that push right in front of him. First half he may have got away with it but assistants need to be aware when tempo rises as well and help the referee with those obvious free kicks near to them to keep consistency with how the referee is controlling the game


77

GB at 2015-05-09 19:08:26

GOAL!  Marouane Fellaini (MU 31)

 

Crystal Palace 1 – 2 Manchester United

 

I have to say that looked on the cards


76

GB at 2015-05-09 19:07:10

MO continues to press into the penalty areas well


74

GB at 2015-05-09 19:06:33

important off side there but in my view only his arm was ahead of the 2nd rearmost defender so MM got that on wrong to give Marouane Fellaini (MU 31) off side as he entered the penalty area.

You can only be off side if part of your body which you can legally play the ball is in an off side position


72

GB at 2015-05-09 19:02:33

this game feels like it has plenty of life left in it yet


70

GB at 2015-05-09 19:02:02

I will talk about angles and views in my final summary but that was a GOOD example of where MO did reposition himself with the play in the penalty area to get the best view


70

GB at 2015-05-09 19:00:34

20 minutes to go now and all the officials will know they have a game on and need to be ready for the unexpected from here in


66

GB at 2015-05-09 18:57:43

interesting “ball to hand” in the centre circle then – hand ball must be deliberate to be an offence


65

GB at 2015-05-09 18:56:42

good refereeing – Man Utd player just got clipped and this game needs those little ones to be given now


64

GB at 2015-05-09 18:55:28

There has been no problem with MO general movement and fitness today and his positioning has actually been good, but the importance of getting that optimum angle required to make the big calls has been highlighted on a couple of occasions


60

GB at 2015-05-09 18:53:39

My last comments related to the challenge on Jason Puncheon (CP 42) before the Palace first goal


60

GB at 2015-05-09 18:52:20

Players just do not help themselves by going down so easily.  That said, it did look like MO may have missed another penalty for Crystal Palace. He just did not have the angle again to see the contact and this time he did not give it when the Palace player was tripped


59

GB at 2015-05-09 18:50:21

looking across at SB on the far side, I can see how his technique made him stand out from the crowd to earn his FIFA badge. You have to get your decisions right of course, but in games where you are not making decisions all the time you need to put that extra polish to your performance and style to stand out


57

GB at 2015-05-09 18:49:12

MO showing good energy as he steamed deep into the penalty area to give that corner. Great positive body language on display as he raises his profile correctly


55

GB at 2015-05-09 18:47:50

GOAL! Jason Puncheon (CP 42)

Crystal Palace 1 – 1 Manchester United


55

GB at 2015-05-09 18:47:01

referee able to use pitch marking to get wall back there


54

GB at 2015-05-09 18:46:12

Yellow Card Ander Herrera (MU 21) reckless challenge

 

Tempo really rising now and referee is going up with it


53

GB at 2015-05-09 18:45:12

tempo rising now – MO was equally not able to see that challenge in the Manchester United penalty area and the diving action of the player did not help him make his decision


50

GB at 2015-05-09 18:42:12

MO was perfectly positioned to see that challenge by Marouane Fellaini (MU 31). That was a good example of what I said at half time – another game may have required Michael to have raised his profile then but he has gauged this one spot on so he managed that incident appropriately today


49

GB at 2015-05-09 18:39:56

Nice flag work there by SB. Held his throw-in signal just long enough and looked very smart and sharp


48

GB at 2015-05-09 18:38:46

it is a day for hand ball appeals! NOT DELIBERATE again


47

GB at 2015-05-09 18:37:48

more free kicks in first 2 minutes of second half than first 10 minutes of first half


45

GB at 2015-05-09 18:36:45

I don’t like to see referees stopping play for players to tie their laces – nothing in the law says they have to


45

GB at 2015-05-09 18:35:36

second half under way


half time

GB at 2015-05-09 18:34:13

The officials need to start all over again in the second half as things could change at any minute. The “keep out of it” style may not be appropriate for the second half so I trust they will stay focussed and read the signs


half time

GB at 2015-05-09 18:29:24

Any thoughts on that big penalty decision? Do you think the officials got it right? Let us know on Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com


half time summary

GB at 2015-05-09 18:27:35

There is no doubt for me that Michael Oliver has definitely taken this game in his stride and has maintained in total control of the proceedings without being too busy and micromanaging every little nudge or hold. This is a difficult skill to explain to inexperienced referees as the law states that a free kick must be awarded when a payer is pushed or held – but you just have to let the odd challenge go if the attitude of the players and the temperature of the game allows it. This is definitely one of those games so far which requires very little input by the officials.

 

That said, they have stepped in when required to ensure the players know that they must play fair.

 

As for the penalty, I said at the time that I was unsure how Michael Oliver saw it from where he was, the half time replays have not changed my opinion. I still think he got it right – but sometimes you earn your luck! Take it Michael and move on!

 

Good team work so far.


half time

GB at 2015-05-09 18:21:19

As well as the usual considered debate on all the major decisions in the last week’s Premier League fixtures, this week’s Ref Show (posted on Monday), put the record straight in respect to the views expressed by the YATR experts over the “non-selection” of Mark Claterburg for this year’s FA Cup final. It is made abundantly clear in this show that everyone here extends their very best wishes and congratulations to Jonathon Moss and sincerely hopes he has a great game on 30th May.  His performances and accuracy in respect to all Key Match Incidents in his games are subject to exactly the same analysis and opinions as the rest of his peers and the comments aired about the FA Cup final appointment are purely concerned with the selection criteria process and not the individual chosen. This show, along with all the previous editions, remains available to view at http://you-are-the-ref.com/yatr-tv/the-ref-show/

 

As always, YATR values your opinions on all the points raised by out experts via Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com


half time

GB at 2015-05-09 18:20:33

Half Time

Clever! MO started to blow his whistle before the ball left the field of play for a corner – watch and learn all you new referees!


45+3

GB at 2015-05-09 18:19:01

more time will be added on for that injury to Rooney


45+2

GB at 2015-05-09 18:18:04

good advantage there by MO as the goalkeeper had the ball in his hands


45

GB at 2015-05-09 18:16:04

minimum of 4 minutes at end of 1st half


43

GB at 2015-05-09 18:15:34

Anyone reading my blog last week would have read about my advice for getting down the touchline and looking back to judge the ball in and out of play as opposed to moving back from the line – well done to MM for demonstrating it then!


40

GB at 2015-05-09 18:11:49

That was never a deliberate act to handle the ball – NO PENALTY


40

GB at 2015-05-09 18:10:56

new referees would do well to study the referee’s arm signals for throw-ins – not to high, perpendicular to the body


39

GB at 2015-05-09 18:09:42

I must agree with the commentators (for a change) – the incident which caused that injury was a complete accident – they do happen sometimes


38

GB at 2015-05-09 18:08:43

Luke Shaw (MU 3) will nor need to change his shirt as he does not look like he will be back


37

GB at 2015-05-09 18:07:56

first replay I have seen of the penalty decision with the Assistant in the frame – he obviously did not see the hand ball so that was an amazing piece of 20-20 vision by the referee. Or did he get lucky?

@youaretheref

 


35

GB at 2015-05-09 18:06:07

Luke Shaw (MU 3) will obviously need to change his shirt before he comes back on with all that blood on it


33

GB at 2015-05-09 18:04:04

You can’t give penalties for that I am afraid!

Well done MO good position to see what happened then


31

GB at 2015-05-09 18:02:28

MO is back-peddling out of the players way a lot today but at least he is showing good awareness no to just stand there and get in the way of where the players want to play the ball


29

GB at 2015-05-09 18:00:33

The foot was a bit high then but I am pleased to see MO managing that challenge. As we always say – the first caution should be a good one and that was not it for me


27

GB at 2015-05-09 17:59:20

Great example of “real strides” by MO then in walking that wall back. So often referees just walk ten paces – very rarely is that 9.15 metres. A good way to check is to stand on the centre spot and walk out to the circle and count your normal paces. You will be surprised how many more than “10” you take!


25

GB at 2015-05-09 17:56:47

Marouane Fellaini (MU 31) showing his usual lack of respect to the official – needs to be careful today


25

GB at 2015-05-09 17:55:54

very little grappling on show at corners so far in this game – I am pleased to say


24

GB at 2015-05-09 17:54:48

MO looks very comfortable in his movement around the field of play so far.


22

GB at 2015-05-09 17:53:38

It was a long way away for his assistant to help out but may be he did. Regardless of who called it, someone got it right!


21

GB at 2015-05-09 17:52:26

No doubt that was a penalty for deliberate hand ball – but just how MO could see it from his angle I really don’t know


19

GB at 2015-05-09 17:51:22

GOAL!   Juan Mata (MU 8)

Crystal Palace 0 – 1 Manchester United


17

GB at 2015-05-09 17:49:47

Penalty  to United


16

GB at 2015-05-09 17:48:34

excellent advantage played then by MO – wonder if he will get a chance to speak to the player


15

GB at 2015-05-09 17:47:28

that evens up the foul count – just 2 in first 15 minutes!


14

GB at 2015-05-09 17:46:58

When the players respect each other it makes the referee’s job so much easier – long way to go yet though


13

GB at 2015-05-09 17:46:09

That challenge by a Palace player for the ball with Wayne Rooney (MU 10) on the ground highlighted the fair play attitude shown by the players so far


12

GB at 2015-05-09 17:44:32

Once again, MO getting right out wide when his presence was required. It helps to have the fitness to get back in which he obviously has


11

GB at 2015-05-09 17:43:25

First free kick of the game – safe refereeing. Could not let that one pass


10

GB at 2015-05-09 17:42:14

10 minutes gone and the officials have all settled in nicely – no need to become involved too much at all


7

GB at 2015-05-09 17:40:44

Rooney using his strength to win the ball then – no foul


6

GB at 2015-05-09 17:38:32

MO spotted extremely wide in his positioning again. He may be conscious that he got caught up in the middle a few times in his game last week and is overcompensating


4

GB at 2015-05-09 17:36:48

Good example of being alert at the start there by SB Spot on decision that the ball had crossed the goal line given from a perfect position. Well Done!


2

GB at 2015-05-09 17:34:43

first off side call for MM there – routine but nice to get it out of the way


2

GB at 2015-05-09 17:33:54

It is very important for all the officials to hit the ground running and be switched on from the first minute


1

GB at 2015-05-09 17:33:17

Great shot there of MO squeezing right out to the wing to keep a close eye on things in the opening minute


0

GB at 2015-05-09 17:32:22

AR1: Simon Bennett (SB) is patrolling the touchline in front of the technical areas.


0

GB at 2015-05-09 17:31:39

Crystal Palace  won the toss so it will be Manchester United to kick off.

 

Good luck to all the officials and may the ball run kindly for you!

 

Feel free to interact with me during the game by joining in on Twitter @youaretheref or e-mail at info@you-are-the-ref.com


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:28:39

If you have seen anything interesting concerning a referee at a game you have been at today, contact us on Twitter @youaretheref or email us at Info@you-are-the-ref.com to tell us all about it


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:26:58

Not long to go now as the players and officials prepare to leave the tunnel


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:20:46

Today’s Assistants:

 

AR1: Simon Bennett (SB)

Simon’s first season on the Premier League was 2011/12 and he quickly stood out from the pack sufficiently enough to be selected for the FIFA list at the beginning of 2013. He has officiated in 18 Premier League fixtures this season, including 4 appearances with Michael Oliver. On the international scene Simon has officiate in 15 games since January 2013.

 

AR2: Mick McDonough (MM)

Mick was promoted to the Select Group Assistant’s list in 2008 and has 182 games under his belt in the top flight including 24 already this season. This will be only the second time this season that Mick has been in today’s referee’s crew.

 

4th Official:

Kevin Friend picks up his 24th appointment to 4th Official duties and won’t need to move very far to a new hotel tonight, as he prepares to take charge of Arsenal v Swansea on the other side of London tomorrow.


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:18:54

Today’s officials are:

Referee:  Michael Oliver (MO)

AR1: Simon Bennett (SB)

AR2: Mick McDonough (MM)

4th Official: Kevin Friend (KF)

 

Michael Oliver has shown genuine signs of maturing this season to add to his obvious excellent fitness, which should be an example to all of his colleagues. His handling of the Capital One Cup Semi Final between Chelsea and Liverpool in January was to become a watershed for today’s referee, who failed to demonstrate the necessary skills and experience on that occasion to manage the tempo of this game which was littered with controversial incidents. Two months later however, this enactment was made to pale into insignificance in comparison to his performance in the FA Cup quarter-final at an electric Old Trafford, between Manchester United and Arsenal, which was universally heralded as one of the stand out examples of quality officiating in our domestic completions this season. He may have had his “moments” since that game, and he could have done without getting only two out of 4 penalty decisions correct a few weeks ago at the Emirates Stadium, but there is no doubt that Michael has made his mark this season and has demonstrated what he is capable of. I am sure Michael’s coach will have been encouraging him to go out and replicate that quarter-final performance every week now!

 

Michael followed in his father’s footsteps onto the Football Leagues referee’s list before becoming the youngest referee in Premier League history when he took charge of his first game aged just 25 in 2010. Since then he has refereed over 110 Premier League fixtures, including 25 this season in which he has issued 92 yellow cards and 5 reds. He has also refereed 31 international games since his elevation to the FIFA list in 2012.

 

Michael obviously has a few fans out there as he was mentioned in dispatches by former FIFA Referee Kim Milton from Denmark in his recent interview with YATR here at

http://you-are-the-ref.com/you-are-the-ref-interview-kim-milton-nielsen-part-one/

 

And he has already triggered a Tweet tonight from Mark Lawson who wrote:

@MarkLawson500

@youaretheref Michael WILL go on to Officiate a WC Final

 

What do you think? Is Michael your tip for the top?


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:16:51

Here are the teams for this evening’s game:

 

CRYSTAL PALACE

 Palace

Julián Speroni (CP 1)

Joel Ward (CP 2)

Scott Dann (CP 6)

Yannick Bolasie (CP 7)

Wilfried Zaha (CP 11)

Mile Jedinak (CP 15)

Andy Johnson (CP 17)

James McArthur (CP 18)

Damien Delaney (CP 27)

Joe Ledley (CP 28)

Pape Souare (CP 40)

Substitutes

Fraizer Campbell (CP 10)

Wayne Hennessey (CP 13)

Jordan Mutch (CP 22)

Lee Chung-Yong) (CP 24)

Marouane Chamakh (CP 29)

Martin Kelly (CP 34)

Jason Puncheon (CP 42)

 

MANCHESTER UNITED

Man Utd

David De Gea (MU 1)

Luke Shaw (MU 3)

Phil Jones (MU 4)

Juan Mata (MU 8)

Wayne Rooney (MU 10)

Chris Smalling (MU 12)

Daley Blind (MU 17)

Ashley Young (MU 18)

Ander Herrera (MU 21)

Luis Antonio Valencia (MU 25)

Marouane Fellaini (MU 31)

Substitutes

Jonny Evans (MU 6)

Radamel Falcao García (MU 9)

Adnan Januzaj (MU 11)

Paddy McNair (MU 32)

Paddy McNair (MU 33)

Andreas Pereira (MU 44)

James Wilson (MU 49)


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:14:53

The current Premier League form table sees both teams next to each other over their last few matches despite them being 8 positions apart in the League Table. Both teams are on a roll of 3 successive defeats, so something has to give today, particularly as The Red Devils have not lost 4 games in a row since 1978/79 season.

 

Form Pos CLUB League Pos HOME FORM PTS AWAY FORM PTS LAST 6

MATCHES

PTS
7 Man Utd 4 W W W W W L 15 D L W W L L 7 W W W L L L 9
8 C Palace 12 D L W W L L 7 W W L W W L 12 W W W L L L 9

 

Looking back at the history of this match in London (of which there has been surprisingly few over the last 93 years), The Reds hold the honours with 8 wins to 4 for The Eagles and there have been 5 draws here since the teams first met back in 1922. Taking all League games into consideration home and away, Manchester United are in front with 22 victories to Crystal Palace’s 6, with a total of 7 matches ending in a draw.

 

The reverse fixture at Old Trafford this season was refereed by Chris Foy (who returned to action today) in November and ended in a routine 1 – 0 victory to United, with 1 Yellow Card for the Home team and 3 Yellows for Crystal Palace. The game was settled by a Juan Mata moment of magic, who’s strike, after coming on as a substitute, sealed a first win in four games for Van Gaal’s men which is a coincidence in respect to their current form. Crystal Palace were under the stewardship of Neil Warnock at the time. The fact that I can find no comments from him on the performance of the referee in any match reports is probably testament to the fact that Foy Boy must have had a good day at the office and that there is nothing hanging over for today’s referee to sort out!!


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:11:07

The return of the prodigal son Alan Pardew to take up managerial duties at Crystal Palace in January this year has heralded a remarkable turnaround in the Eagles fortunes, which now sees their participation secured in next seasons Premier League. Nothing less than a fully committed performance by his team against their opponents today will be acceptable to the manager though, despite this being a “dead rubber” for the Home team, with little to play for except their pride and bragging rights.

 

But it is this “pride” which Manchester United face every week wherever they pitch up, as they will always be “the team to beat” due to their undeniable history and substantial international and domestic following.

 

As Manchester United arrived at Selhurst Park today (which I always thought was the most difficult ground to find in London!), they will be well aware that their work is by no means done yet in confirming their place in the qualifying stages of the UEFA Champions League next season. A failure to take all three points home with them will leave the door wide open for Liverpool to throw the kitchen sink at Chelsea tomorrow and potentially close the gap between the two North West rivals to just one point, with only two games to go. For all the “neutrals” out there (including the ABUs (anyone but United)), it would be great to keep the excitement alive at the top of the table, as the scrap at the bottom to keep out of the final relegation place reaches boiling point.

 

So Manchester United will be in no mood to settle for anything less than a win today which will hopefully lead to a really exciting (if possibly one sided) game in which the officials major responsibility will hopefully be to keep things going with the minimum of intervention.


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:07:45

So it is one down and two to go as far as the Relegation places in the Premier League are concerned after the results today have sent Burnley into the abyss!

If anyone else was watching the Gillette Soccer Saturday show at 3pm on Sky this afternoon, they would have seen a live feed of Mark Clattenburg tossing the coin before the start of the match at the Britannia Stadium and would have heard Jeff Stelling say, “…….. possibly the only game in the Premier League today with nothing on it and we have probably our best referee given it ……..” – Et tu, Brute?


pre-match

GB at 2015-05-09 17:05:29

25 minutes to go before KO and welcome to this early evenings live minute by minute RefCam coverage of the Premier League clash between Crystal Palace and Manchester United. Many thanks to Glenn for keeping the seat warm at lunch time for the game from Goodison Park. Our earlier RefCam coverage game seemed to be going so well for all the officials until a “missed penalty decision” in the second half which will no doubt grab all the headlines. Big decisions obviously need to be called right in every game, but they take on so much more significance at the business end of the season with so much at stake, we certainly do not want any errors in any Key Match Incidents in this game today.

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