Brazil v Netherlands: 3rd/4th place play-off

GT at 2014-07-12 22:53:28

And it’s all over.

Netherlands hammer Brazil by 3 goals to nil. To be honest, the Brazilians were lucky to get nil !!

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GT at 2014-07-12 22:49:21

Disaster for Brazil as they concede their third today, and fourteenth goal of this tournament

GT at 2014-07-12 22:46:38

Well done assistant (again) – you pulled a very tired referee out of trouble there by giving him a free kick

GT at 2014-07-12 22:44:50

That was a corner, not the goal kick given by our referee

GT at 2014-07-12 22:44:18

David Luiz needs a talking to as he attempted to trip the Dutch player there as he broke over the halfway line

GT at 2014-07-12 22:42:17

Good spot assistant. Definitely a foul

GT at 2014-07-12 22:40:17

Too far away to add credibility to that non-penalty decision

GT at 2014-07-12 22:39:15

I’m afraid his first half sprints have turned into second half shuffles now

GT at 2014-07-12 22:38:34

See our referee again there?

Stayed outside the penalty area when his presence was needed as the players came together on the goal line….some 18 yards away

GT at 2014-07-12 22:37:20

OK. The last ten minutes are almost upon us, so here are the answers to the half time quiz…

The third-place play-off was introduced at the second World Cup finals in Italy in 1934. Points to you if you got those correct!

GT at 2014-07-12 22:35:20

Don’t just stand there admiring your foul decision

GT at 2014-07-12 22:35:02

Give the foul…then move into the incident to stop any ‘afters’

GT at 2014-07-12 22:34:17

Mr Haimoudi definitely looks leg-heavy to me.

His runs are getting shorter and slower. He is too far away from too many challenges. And he has stopped getting into the two penalty areas when needed

GT at 2014-07-12 22:32:33

Come on referee….move your legs and get out of the way

GT at 2014-07-12 22:32:11

Superb support by the assistant there as he leads the referee into a throw in

GT at 2014-07-12 22:30:37

The players are getting tetchy and frustrated now.

Time to step up a gear, Mr Haimoudi

GT at 2014-07-12 22:29:08

Excellent offside call

GT at 2014-07-12 22:27:54

Oscar makes a meal of the contact by Blind, but that looked a good penalty call.

Maybe our referee pulled yellow and called no foul because of the way Oscar went down.

But, sorry, that looks another poor decision in the penalty area

GT at 2014-07-12 22:24:33

Concentrate referee.

Don’t be explaining your decision to van Persie whilst the game is going on around you

GT at 2014-07-12 22:23:31

No penalty.

Good call assistant referee

GT at 2014-07-12 22:23:12

Is our referee tiring?

He’s a little too far ahead of play for me?

Can be a sign that his legs are getting heavy and so he’s trying to ‘buy’ the first few metres

GT at 2014-07-12 22:22:06

Good spot for a free kick there. Pulled back

GT at 2014-07-12 22:20:08

Blind almost lives up to his name, as he takes the ball full in his face!

GT at 2014-07-12 22:16:19

Hernanes is a lucky man not to see yellow so soon after joining the game

GT at 2014-07-12 22:15:40

Well done, ref.

Stay on top of those niggly fouls

GT at 2014-07-12 22:14:54

As the game goes a little ‘flat’ our officials must keep focussed.

This is when a decision can come along and surprise you

GT at 2014-07-12 22:12:09

Followed up by a definite yellow card for Fernandinho.

Good work

GT at 2014-07-12 22:11:43

Much better positioning there, as our referee signals no foul.

GT at 2014-07-12 22:09:56

Really poor positioning from the referee there as he missed a foul on Robben.

Keep up with play, Mr Haimoudi

GT at 2014-07-12 22:07:37

Robben draws a definite foul from Ramires.

Good spot, referee

GT at 2014-07-12 22:06:51

Only 2 minutes of the second half have gone, and already there are empty seats in the stadium beginning to appear.

These Brazilian fans are an unforgiving lot!

GT at 2014-07-12 22:04:30

Poor offside call from the assistant. The full back was level with the attacker there

GT at 2014-07-12 22:03:21

Second half is underway…

GT at 2014-07-12 22:02:58

….and to be clear about the foul on Ramires, which happened just outside the Dutch penalty area.

That is a clear yellow card challenge. It wasn’t simply careless – it was reckless, and therefore should have resulted in a caution

GT at 2014-07-12 22:01:09

Excellent question regarding the foul on Oscar, which we talked about at the time for the lack of support from the near side assistant in its award.

He then came on to the field of play to try to assist getting the players back 9.15 metres.

Should he be doing this? I would suggest not!

What would happen if the free kick was taken quickly and the ref lets it go on? Where would he be to judge offside….still on the field of play!

GT at 2014-07-12 21:58:03

Returning to the main talking point of the first half.

Firstly – the far side assistant missed an offside early in the build up.

That mistake was compounded as both he and his referee failed to spot that the foul was outside of the penalty area, and did not continue into that area. So it should have been a free-kick not a penalty.

Finally, without doubt, that is a red card offence for preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity

GT at 2014-07-12 21:54:23

Here’s your quiz question for today:

Award yourself a point if you can remember when was the 3rd/4th place play-off first introduced?

Award yourself a bonus point if you can remember in which country that World Cup Finals Tournament was played.

Answers later in the game.

Send your answers to us on Twitter @youaretheref or email us at

GT at 2014-07-12 21:52:13

So, half-time is upon us…and that means one thing.

Time for a bit of trivia!

GT at 2014-07-12 21:48:11

Half-time arrives.

And so do the boos from the crowd as Brazil’s World Cup goes from bad to worse.

2-0 to the Dutch after 45 minutes.

GT at 2014-07-12 21:47:11

It is incidents like that which chip away at the confidence players have in you as an official.

Come on boys,,,,tighten up

GT at 2014-07-12 21:46:26

No support from the far side assistant there as I spot the Dutch number 11 being unceremoniously dumped on the ground off-the-ball

GT at 2014-07-12 21:43:54

Excellent attempt at an advantage by Mr Haimoudi….but I have to ask again:


That was a reckless challenge and deserved a caution

GT at 2014-07-12 21:42:49

The free kick count rises as we near the end of the first half.

Players are tiring after a heavy schedule in this tournament.

Our referee has to take that into account when judging foul challenges

GT at 2014-07-12 21:39:05

Not a lot is going right for David Luiz in this World Cup as he has his shirt pulled in the Dutch penalty area on the blind-side of our referee, but the pull prevents him from reaching the ball for an open net opportunity

GT at 2014-07-12 21:37:24

de Guzman finds his way into Mr Haimoudi’s book for an obvious foul which prevented a promising attack for Brazil

GT at 2014-07-12 21:36:20

…and it is !!

GT at 2014-07-12 21:36:03

Must be a yellow card

GT at 2014-07-12 21:34:17

Good positioning at the free kick from the referee allows him to spot the resulting corner kick

GT at 2014-07-12 21:33:15


No doubt

GT at 2014-07-12 21:32:07

More good support from the far side assistant, as he leads the referee there into awarding a foul to the Dutch

GT at 2014-07-12 21:30:45

Good support from the far side assistant there, as he flags to support his referee in awarding Brazil a free kick

GT at 2014-07-12 21:28:48

Come on assistant referee (nearside)…join in, and help your friend out in the middle

GT at 2014-07-12 21:28:05

Obvious foul.


GT at 2014-07-12 21:26:47

A regular contributor to Refcam, Ian M, agrees it was a red card offence.

He also wanted to see a free kick, not a penalty,

Great point from Ian M as he adds that communication between the referee and his assistant is what let them down. The assistant was better placed to make the call on the penalty, and should have helped his senior colleague out

GT at 2014-07-12 21:24:02

Good movement from our referee there.

Full length of the field sprint…good effort, Mr Haimoudi

GT at 2014-07-12 21:22:04

The game is a nice one to referee, with players not flying into challenges (so far, anyway!).

What a shame the opening three minutes will be what tonight’s officials are remembered for.

GT at 2014-07-12 21:19:31

If the Netherlands go on to win this game no doubt their manager, van Gaal, will be reminding us all that they have not lost in open play at this World Cup (as their only defeat was on penalties)

GT at 2014-07-12 21:17:24

2-0 to the Dutch.

And the woeful Brazilian defending, again from David Luiz, continues as Blind smashes in a second goal

GT at 2014-07-12 21:13:04

Good spot by Mr Haimoudi – no foul

GT at 2014-07-12 21:11:18

Good advantage played by the referee there…but no signal given.

Come on ref, take the glory you deserved there.

GT at 2014-07-12 21:09:27

The start to this game shows how important it is for match officials to hit the deck running from the very first minute.

Big decisions can come at any time in games, and you don’t necessarily get the time to settle into a match before they come at you.

GT at 2014-07-12 21:04:30

Two decisions to make:

1. Was it a penalty?

2. Having given a foul, was it a red or yellow card?

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GT at 2014-07-12 21:03:00

Not the greatest start for our referee and his far side assistant, I’m afraid.

GT at 2014-07-12 21:02:12


But where was the red card?

GT at 2014-07-12 21:00:11

…and away we go.

Netherlands take the kick-off.

Game on.

GT at 2014-07-12 20:53:54

Kick-off is almost upon us.

The crowds have turned up.

Let’s hope for a real cracker of a game…

GT at 2014-07-12 20:46:22

Drama already as Wesley Sneider pulls a hamstring in the warm-up, and is replaced in the starting 11 by de Guzman

GT at 2014-07-12 20:44:30

With just 15 minutes until kick-off who do you think will end their World Cup tournament with a win today?

What will the score be?

Who will hit the back of the net?

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GT at 2014-07-12 20:37:25

As for the match itself, this has become something of a contentious issue for teams in the recent past, and today’s are no different with Netherlands coach Louis van Gaal saying having to complete a World Cup third-place play-off match is “unfair”, adding “this match should never be played. I’ve been saying that for 10 years; it’s unfair”.

These two sides have met 11 times before. Each winning 3 games, with 5 ending in stalemate.

Let’s hope both teams put on a great show for us today, leaving aside their semi-finals disappointments. It’s a great chance for both teams to leave this tournament with another win under their belt.

Everyone here at You Are The Ref hopes for a fantastic match, with the ball running kindly for our officials.

GT at 2014-07-12 20:19:55

Hi everyone, and thanks for joining us for the match between Netherlands and Brazil, to determine who will finish 3rd and 4th in this 2014 World Cup Finals tournament.

We are at the very modern Estadio Nacional in Brasilia for today’s game which is the 63rd of this tournament. The stadium really is a beauty, having only been constructed two years ago.  It holds a capacity of 69,349 supporters, so let’s hope the masses turn up and are in full voice for this 17:00 hours (local time) kick-off.

Today’s referee is Algeria’s Djamel Haimoudi .

The 43-year-old officiated the group-stage matches Australia v Netherlands and Costa Rica v England as well as Belgium v USA in the round of 16.

In his career, Mr Haimoudi oversaw two matches in last year’s FIFA Confederations Cup and was also selected for the FIFA Club World Cup in 2012 and the FIFA U-20 World Cup 2011. He also has notable experience in his confederation (CAF) taking charge of three tournaments of the Africa Cup of Nations (2008, 2012 and 2013). At the end of the 2013 tournament he refereed Nigeria v Burkina Faso in the final.  Mr Haimoudi becomes the first CAF referee to officiate a third place match of a FIFA World Cup

He will be assisted today by Redouane Achik of Morocco and his fellow countryman Abdelhak Etchiali. His fourth official will be Yuichi Nishimura of Japan.